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I’m open to the possibility that it’s just me being more aware/sensitive to how people are driving around me too. And I’m not necessarily talking about drivers I have to interact with myself but just seeing what people are doing in general.

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[-] Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 5 points 6 hours ago

I actively enjoy being a polite and considerate driver.

If you’re not in a 2024+ Tesla there’s every chance I’ll let you out, buddy. I use my turn signals every damned time. On country roads I leave a big gap between me and the vehicle in front in case someone wants to overtake and needs to pull in. I move to the side of the lane when motorbikes are coming up from behind me and make sure to leave space for them to pull in too. I let trucks out if one’s trying to overtake another. If someone’s tailgating me, I pull over and let them past, imagining they’re a bomb disposal tech heading to a school for blind orphans to save those poor kids. “God speed, you crazy bomb whisperer!”

Life is good.

[-] marine_mustang@sh.itjust.works 67 points 14 hours ago

Since 2020. Covid broke a lot of brains. Once people started driving again, it’s like they forgot (or rejected) all the rules. Bad behavior that I rarely saw, like blatantly running red lights, aggressive driving, using turning lanes as passing lanes (even through intersections) went from rare to daily.

[-] fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com 1 points 3 hours ago

COVID demonstrated that the social contract is gone.

[-] i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 hours ago

I seriously think this happened. I never used to see people signaling right and then turning left from a MIDDLE lane. People used to at least slow down at a red light before making a right turn. My dashcam went from an insurance policy to a highlight reel of absolute idiocy every time I drive.

I think it’s time everyone gets a road test every time they renew their drivers license.

[-] socsa@piefed.social 1 points 6 hours ago

The red light running is fucking wild. I feel like maybe ten times in my whole life I saw someone run a red light and now it's basically every day.

[-] newtraditionalists@kbin.melroy.org 18 points 13 hours ago

The red light situation is insane since then. People would always push it a bit here and there, but now i routinely see people with a red fly through an intersection after people with the green light have already entered the intersection. Social media has convinced simpletons that because they see "movies" of their own life on their devices that they have plot armor. And it will take a serious accident to make them learn otherwise. Its frightening as fuck to share the road with people like that.

[-] tmyakal@infosec.pub 14 points 13 hours ago

Reminds me of an old joke:

My car was in the shop, so I asked for a ride to the grocery store from my neighbor. He agrees, no problem, and we're off. The first time we come to a red light, he floors it and we dart through the intersection. There's a cacophony of horns and squealing ties, but we're unscathed.

I whip around to him, wide-eyed, and yell, "What the hell are you doing?! That was a red light!"

He smiles and says, "Don't worry, I watch my brother do that all the time. No problem."

I try to argue, but he keeps doubling down: "Never seen my brother get hit. Everyone just stays out of the way. It's totally fine," as we fly through one intersection after another, ignoring seemingly every red light in town.

Finally, mercifully, I see us pulling up to a green light. I reassure myself that we're almost there, and I'll be home soon.

But as we roll up to the green light, my neighbor slams hard on his brakes. The car behind us lays on their horn and skids to a sharp stop right behind us. I'm white as a ghost as I turn to my neighbor and demand to know why the hell we stopped at a green light.

"My brother could've been coming from the other way."

[-] shartgargle@lemmy.zip 5 points 12 hours ago

Yup. I saw this twice this week, the first happened at a 4 way stop and everyone took their turns until one car just followed the car in front of them, knowing people will still be paused. The fucking gall of someone to not only skip the line, but blow a stop sign to do it. 4 way stops I've found to be the worst at seeing this kind of behavior.

The second was someone I work with, apparently. Not someone I know but they clearly work on my shift. Our building is right off the highway and I took the offramp to it and waited at the red light. Nobody was coming so I started to turn right on to the road toward work. Then I look left again and there's a black Dodge ram going easily 45 in a 30 just to slam on the brakes mid turn, halfway into the intersection when that light was red. I pull up behind him and the lights for the side street had just turned yellow, and this cum stain blows the red were stopped at early at full acceleration. Only to turn into the western parking lot of the place we work. The stupidest part of this story? We were 40 minutes early.

[-] 4am@lemmy.zip 10 points 12 hours ago

SO many people are GLUED to their phones at all times now, too. Every red light the 1st place car sits at the green until someone honks because they just CANNOT STOP DOOMSCROLLING.

I am a technology evangelist and I have been since I was quite young. I’m addicted to my phone. I admit using it while driving on rare occasions to like change to the next song or something, or adjust Waze at a red light. But dude, come the fuck on what are people DOING??

[-] bzLem0n@lemmy.ca 8 points 13 hours ago

Using turning/bus lanes to cross intersections is something that I see that went from rarely to daily. It drives me crazy since they usually try to force their way back in to the lane once they cross.

[-] Dhs92@piefed.social 2 points 10 hours ago

I sometimes see people with their phone on their steering wheel while on the highway (in the US). People just don't give a fuck anymore and it's terrifying

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 7 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

It might be the age of most drivers around me but they all forgot how to use turn signals, how to merge onto a highway, what a yield sign means (hint: it’s not stop) and how to anticipate that they need to merge instead of waiting until the last minute and creeping into the other lane.

And just about every time it’s someone in a Subaru driving like they were beamed into a car and don’t know what they’re doing there.

Oh, and just about everyone comes to almost a complete stop to make any turn.

[-] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

I'm generally fine with people stopping at yields. It slows things down, but it's still safe. There's actually one near my friend's house that has hedges blocking all view of the road to the west until you're right up on it, so I always stop at that one; can't see if there's anyone to yield to until you're almost inside the intersection.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Oh, totally. But if we can all see that there isn’t any traffic slamming to a stop at a yield is a recipe for an accident.

Maybe they’re trying to get me to rear end them.

[-] SpruceBringsteen@lemmy.world 6 points 13 hours ago

You've an uptick in this type of behaviour coupled with a decline in enforcement.

You can go to countries where there are no traffic rules being enforced at all, but there's not the same wanton disregard for life that I see daily on US roads. Recently was in Houston and you couldn't pay me to live in that hellscape of entitled drivers.

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[-] oh_@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Yes. Jackass drivers run through crosswalks and stop signs, then have the guts to yell at pedestrians. Cars act like they own the road. Bicycles are very common in my neighborhood, and yet drivers act like they shouldn't share the road with them too. (SoCal)

[-] BeerStainedBunny 1 points 5 hours ago

Yeah people seem more self centered now. They always have to go first even when pedestrians have the right of way. At least that's what I've seen.

[-] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 1 points 6 hours ago

It's going to vary a lot by location, I'm not sure there is even a consistent worldwide tendency for vehicular aggressiveness. I haven't noticed one myself in Marseille or Mayotte over the 15 years I've been driving

[-] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 9 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

The same thing happened after 9/11 and lasted for months. People were stressed, upset and angry and it really showed up in their driving.

We now have the Republicans and their malignant narcissist glorious leader actively destroying this country. Medical costs, housing and grocery prices (among other things) are completely out of control and keep getting worse and Trump claims affordability is a "hoax" while adding more tariffs. Nearly eradicated diseases are surging again and children are dying. Our food has become unsafe to eat. We're in a war that was completely unnecessary and the dotard in chief is shitting his pants and pretending he's a tough guy while crawling into food carts to hide. Nero isn't just fiddling while Rome burns, he and his ilk are smearing shit on the walls and actually lighting more fires.

People are naturally stressed, upset and angry, and it's again showing up in our driving.

[-] DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

What makes this worse is they actually don't have the humanity to care because to them you're just "poor people".

[-] Arancello@aussie.zone 1 points 9 hours ago

Actually, JD Vance calls them unhumans in his writings. they don’t deserve human rights because they aren’t human

[-] THE_GR8_MIKE@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago

People on their phones at red lights is insane. And then they have the absolute fucking nuts to look at you in the mirror when you beep at them for almost missing the entire turn arrow, like you're the moron. Blows my nuts off. I gotta get out of the city, man.

[-] FatVegan@leminal.space 1 points 8 hours ago

I'm at a point where i'm glad they use the phone on a red light.

[-] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

I routinely see people scrolling while driving, if they all kept it to red lights that would be a step up but even then I’ve been stuck between a screaming ambulance and some asshat who is not paying attention to anything but the phone

[-] IWW4@lemmy.zip 24 points 14 hours ago

Hell yes, since the pandemic, it has been nuts. Especially how they behave in parking lots.

[-] NABDad@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

Reading over the responses from people here, I'm realizing that Philly drivers really are as bad as I believe they are.

Most of the responses here describe what I've been seeing in Philly for decades. Running red lights, blowing through stop signs, turning right on red from the left-turn-only lane. I refer to that as the "Philly Right Turn". There's also a "Philly Left Turn" (AKA, turning left on red from the right-turn-only lane) which is slightly more advanced because it involves crossing at least one additional lane of moving traffic.

I had a guy hit me because he went straight in the right-turn-only lane and the road had a dog-leg at the intersection because of construction. He said it was my fault because "everyone does it". His insurance didn't agree with his argument, and I got my deductible paid (thanks, dashcam).

When I was in college 30 years ago, I used to joke that Philly drivers should have their horns linked to their brakes so that when they leaned on their horn to warn other drivers that they were going to run the red light, the car would automatically brake instead. That wouldn't work since then because people stopped bothering with the warning honk.

The things I've seen change more recently is what I mentioned in my other comment: driving on the wrong side of the road and driving while staring at their phone.

[-] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 8 hours ago

Drivers were definitely more aggressive and dangerous 20 years ago than now where I live

[-] chunes@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

People ALWAYS say that drivers have gotten worse since [date] or that [my-local-area] drivers are the worst. I remember people saying this 30 years ago.

I am aware that pedestrian deaths are up in the US, which can be attributed to phones and vehicles increasing in mass. Other than that, let's see the data.

[-] XeroxCool@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

"The younger generation these days has lost their respect for elders, has become too reliant on technology, would rather be entertained than educated, and represents a decline in humanity"

  • everyone misattributing and misquoting Socrates for a couple thousand years
[-] HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 1 points 8 hours ago

Had a few people scream at me when I am cycling to work on the few sections I have to use roads with cars on.

Recent one I was cycling along and someone pulls out into my lane and expected me to move over for them. Nah, you fucking wait, this is my lane not yours. I can stand in the road with you shouting for a lot longer than it takes for you to reverse back to where you should be waiting.

[-] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 11 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

I think the older we get, and the more we know how things "are supposed to go" we notice more when things don't go that way. I usually try to chalk it up to people that are inexperienced, elderly or not local. But there will always be people that are dicks because they can

[-] vapordays@leminal.space 11 points 14 hours ago

Yes. Society is very ill. (pats society on head)

[-] gratux 1 points 8 hours ago

Maybe a little more irrational and chaotic, haven't noticed much change in aggression or rudeness. Just more impulsive decisions, like switching lanes at the last moment. Just today I witnessed a near collision between three cars who were all abrubtly switching lanes simultaneously almost into each other.

[-] 1egg4u@lemmy.ca 7 points 13 hours ago

The city I live in had 15 pedestrian deaths from cars as their previous record, this year we are up to 40.

Cars are rapidly increasing in size and weight, decreasing their visibility, and people wont get off their phones. I do also partially believe that covid hit cognitive function and that tough times are making people antsy and angry too.

[-] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

As you age you’re likely slowing down, becoming more timid, and as a result of that are becoming an obstacle on the road for people to avoid instead of being a part of traffic. This perspective shift will make it seem like other drivers are being more aggressive than before, because to you they probably are.

[-] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 8 points 14 hours ago

Not really. It sure can feel like it when you run into one, but people have been shit at everything since forever.

[-] NABDad@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

I think it's a combination of fallout from the pandemic and BLM protests.

During the pandemic traffic disappeared. If you were one of the unlucky few who still had to go on-site to work, the first thing you noticed was there was no traffic. What was a 1.5 hour commute previously was a 45 minute commute during the shutdown. When people started driving again it was like they all forgot how to do it.

Regarding the change in driving habits, the most dramatic example I've seen is people crossing the double yellow line to pass cars. I never used to see that, but it's almost routine now. I've seen people do it in areas where they can't even see oncoming traffic. Crossing over into the other lane to pass 20 cars sitting at a red light. It's insane.

Apart from all that there's also so many more people with their eyes glued to their phone when they are driving. You see someone swerving all over the road for miles, and if you get close to them they are always looking at their phone.

EDIT:

Re BLM, in some cases police policies directed officers not to get involved in traffic stops. In other cases, I think butthurt cops decided if they weren't allowed to abuse brown people, they'd just refuse to do anything.

[-] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Wow such slander, this had nothing to do with BLM dumbass.

[-] NABDad@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago
  1. It would be libel, not slander (slander is spoken, libel is written).

  2. Who would be the target of this alleged libel?

[-] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

Still mentally broken good bye.

[-] NABDad@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

Still didn't respond to my question. Are you thinking I libeled the Black Lives Matter movement, or do you think I libeled the police? Which erroneous assumption have you made?

[-] nutcase2690@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 hours ago

The thing that is pissing me off recently is that when people stop at a light with wayy too much room in between their car and the one in front of them. I think it is a byproduct of many drivers not being able to visualize how large their car is Like seriously, most people leave enough room to fit an extra car or two at the stopped light. Imo it contributes heavily to how many cars can actually pass at a green light, and it makes traffic so much worse.

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[-] manxu@piefed.social 3 points 11 hours ago

I noticed the opposite, but that's entirely because I moved from the States to Europe.

In America... Yeah, the last many years have seen a catastrophic worsening of driving skills. Law enforcement emphasizes COVID and the lack of enforcement and traffic a lot, but to me it felt like a lot of anger, distraction, and carelessness.

Sort of like when people are at the end of their wits and stop caring about everything. About safety, about others, about rules.

One of the last things I saw was this dude. Four lane stroad by a city park, he drove high speed on the left lane, and every so often swerved into opposing traffic, shouting fuck-yous all around. It was a miracle there wasn't a head-on collision.

[-] tanisnikana@lemmy.world 6 points 13 hours ago

I’ve seen endless people not using their blinkers, and I’ve seen people diving over two, three, four lanes of freeway to make their exit, I’ve seen people changing lanes in the goddamn well-marked no lane change tunnel, speeders and super slow drivers alike,

and I think it would prolly be for the best if the standards to get a license were much, much higher.

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