Parent your goddamn children.
That's not a children problem. That's a parents problem.
Seriously, just toss the little shit into the seat and buckle them up. Why is this so difficult for some parents to do? Kids weigh next to nothing; just pick them up and force them to comply.
Edit: Downvoted by two bad parents who are afraid to control their children.
They can tie down unruly adult passengers before they're arrested, but they can't restrain a kid climbing over seats?
and some others considered parenting licenses
"join us" wierdos.
Not the kids fault, the parents should have stepped off the flight when the problem arised.
It doesn't sound like the parent is the reason why the whole plane had to disembark.
My guess is that the airline doesn't have a process that allows them to fetch just one passenger's luggage from the plane - that they have to unload all of it, find the bag, and reload. And that the airline requires the flight to be cancelled to accomplish that - probably because of the time involved.
Clusterfuck all around.
I thought flight crews had dart guns for this kind of situation.
I have a vivid memory of a parental figure placing a hand on the back of my neck and like pinching the fingers super hard when I was doing dumb shit. Is that not a thing anymore?
Child abuse? No typically it’s advised against.
Sure, we know what not to do, but do we also know what we should do instead then? Sometimes you need kids to comply within a certain time frame and that's going to require some pressure one way or the other and no, it's not going to scar them for life
You talk to them. You tell them what's going down. You give them details. Children are not animals. They can listen, understand, speak, hold a conversation. If you need them to do something specific, in a certain time frame, for a certain reason, you tell them.
I feel like people underestimate the mental faculties of kids all the time. If you treat them with respect and just talk to them, you usually don't have to resort to abuse tactics.
Kids are smart. But they don't always have the same thought process as adults. There have to be consequences for actions. And a stern talking to just isn't going to cut it for a lot of kids.
Punishments like spanking give an immediate reinforcement and I wouldn't consider that abuse.
Different situations require different ways to handle kids. On an airplane where the kid won't sit still, I would certainly consider something immediate that doesn't need a lengthy explanation.
"Just talking to them" doesn't always work (e.g. toddlers, children with pathological demand avoidance, etc), but I agree that abuse is still never the answer.
Sure, no solution is perfect and there's exceptions to every rule.
But the original question is "what options do I have aside from abusing my kid?", and while "just talk to them" is an oversimplified answer, I feel it's an appropriate response to such a thickheaded question.
Usually yes, and I will acknowledge that skipping this step is showing laziness or incompetence, but I don't think children are already reasonable, especially when they're tired (this happened late in the evening) and already committed to throwing a tantrum. And in this case the whole situation might have been already stressful for the parents anyway, which doesn't help. Probably they should have talked about it more way before they entered the plane, and prepared the kid for what was going to happen. And maybe they did. But the situation then being what it is I think options can be very limited, and there probably wasn't much time to try reasoning with the kid
I could see my autistic son doing this, but I'd get off the plane if that happened
"Join us"?
People do start out not having kids, so to "join us" would mean........ they have kids AND GET RID OF THEM. (ಠ_ಠ)
Anti-natalism is a cult. These insufferable pricks make not having children their entire personality, and tell themselves they're superior for it, because they have nothing better to offer.
You're conflating childfree with anti-natalism. I'm childfree because id be a shit parent. If you want to have kids then more power to you. Just don't make it your whole personality like those anti-natalists you're so fond of.
This has nothing to do with the child and everything to do with the parents.
Remember the only qualification to become a parent is functional gonads. No education, training, or proof of competency and aptitude is required.
Which is why shit parents often resort to physically assaulting their children. It's because the are too ignorant of actual parenting techniques and methods to know otherwise.
"My parents spanked me and I turned out fine"...
No you fucking idiot, you did not turn out fine. You are beating a helpless child because you don't know shit about parenting.
I got spanked and I turned out fine. And by that I mean I'm not having kids cause fuck all that noise.
This is the single best argument for abortion. If the idiots of the world cannot be trusted to have children, we should let them get rid of them before they become everyone's problem without question.
I, personally, hope there are "wellfare queens who get weekly abortions" because thats better than this fictional racist strawman being forced to have a kid
Abso fucking lutely
In the end, there are some pretty large questions:
- How much did this cost (presumably) the airline?
- Who pays?
- Are the culprits (mother & son) on a no-fly list now?
If the answer to # 2 is us through elevated ticket prices then it's a problem. It either takes a village to raise a child and pay for their mistakes therefore societal norms are individually enforceable, or, it is exclusively the parents responsibility to raise the child and pay for the mistakes. It must be one or the other, there is no in-between.
Why wasn’t the family just escorted off the plane? Canceling the whole flight seems excessive.
I'm surprised the family made it out of there in one piece. No jury would convict you for taking that sucker punch.
They were.
Porter said the aircraft returned to the terminal, where the passengers (as in the kid and the accompanying parent) were asked to leave the plane and their baggage was removed. The airline said the additional time required to complete those steps and refile the flight plan meant the flight could not depart before Victoria International Airport’s (YYJ) runway closed at 12:30 a.m. As a result, the flight was cancelled.
I'd lose my shit, especially if I had a connection to catch
Wow, I'd be livid
Oh thanks! I didn’t even notice the link to the actual article. Not quite awake yet…
It's times like this where it should be legal to just straight up lunch the parents.
Another appropriate time is At a brewery where the kids grab 4 board games, dump them over a table trying to play then abandoning them so they can run up and down the corn hole boards while throwing the bags at each other
Cannibalism seems a bit extreme.
Shrug, tastes like pork
That child totally alpha'd everyone hard. He got his way and 150 losers didn't. Future president.
Plane mogged sum boomers today no cap
Family couldn't sit him down, put the seatbelt on, and hold his hands on an armrest so he can't un-buckle? Must be one strong kid.
Or, the more likely explanation, the parents are permissive shits who think they should never make little timmy uncomfortable
And it's everyone else's kids who are inconveniencing them
that's kevin from home alone you're talking about
They can't just kick that family off? If I was another passenger I'd have a vendetta against that kid's parents.
tldr: they did, by the time the family and their luggage was removed the runway had closed for the night.
Thanks for the extra info stranger. Damn that sucks.
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