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Like was it a meaningful debate or a flat out flame war? And what was the main theme you were arguing over?

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[-] aramis87@fedia.io 28 points 3 weeks ago

Sigh. That under Swedish law, it's entirely probable that Julian Assange did rape that woman (reddit fanbois are a special kind of special).

That Elon Musk is not a real-life Tony Stark, but is in fact a slightly autistic narcissist who insists on inserting himself into the public eye and has an excellent PR team (reddit fanbois are a special kind of special).

That covid is real, and is bad, and is in fact deadly; and that vaccines are good, not a government conspiracy, and may save not just your life, but the lives of your families and friends.

Probably one of those three.

[-] gwl 6 points 3 weeks ago

I feel like generally the POV of Musk being a narcissistic freak is now the default tbh, very few see him as the genius eccentric anymore

[-] Lyrl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago

I would like to believe that, and in the social spaces I frequent Musk's star has certainly fallen, but the number of people who sunk a ridiculous amount of cash into the SpaceX IPO speaks to there still being a lot of believers in his purported genius.

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Sorry, I don't know much about Assange but how can it be probable he raped someone "under Swedish law"? Do you just mean Sweden has different definitions for rape and that he might have done something fitting one of those definitions (but we cannot be sure of it because of lack of evidence)? Or something else I'm missing?

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[-] akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zone 19 points 3 weeks ago

I stated that in a democracy fascist, racist, neo-nazi political parties should not have the right to form, campaign or run for government because - other than the obvious reasons - they are inherently undemocratic. I also added that this is not a paradox of democracy and that claiming otherwise is apologist bullcrap trying to justify fascism, racism or other institutional, totalitarian forms of oppression.

I got death threats.

Edit: maybe this doesn't apply here since there was no arguing really? 🤔

[-] HoneyMustardGas@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, Lemmy is a bit more sophisticated and civil compared to other social media. That is why I always come back.

[-] Iconoclast@feddit.uk 3 points 3 weeks ago

and that claiming otherwise is apologist bullcrap trying to justify fascism, racism or other institutional, totalitarian forms of oppression.

That's just making a statement and refusing any challenge to it. Debate means searching for the truth and acknowledging you might be wrong. Now you're just turning it into a personal attack toward anyone who disagrees with you. It's intellectually dishonest and in bad faith.

[-] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

If lemmy counts as social media in the context of this question: In one direction it was meaningful, but all I got back was flaming and brigading. But I'm sure they are convinced I have it the wrong way around. I was calling out a tankie for being objectively wrong in their statements, and that their defense of stalinism was stupid.

[-] HoneyMustardGas@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

Seems legit. I hate arguing about politics. I avoid like the plague.

[-] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago

I think as many people as possible should be as well off as possible, with as much freedom as possible, at the expense of as few as possible. I dare you to challenge this standpoint. Sure, how we weigh and balance each of those is up for debate (A debate I am sure neither of us are interested in participating in), but as an outline, I find that only weirdos object to the premise as a whole.

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[-] greatwhitebuffalo41@slrpnk.net 14 points 3 weeks ago

I don't remember exactly what it was that I said that I got absolutely dog piled on and told I was wrong repeatedly but it had something to do with fire hydrants. 30+ replies telling me I was wrong and stupid and didn't know what I was talking about.

For the record, I work in water and fire hydrants are very much part of my work. But, a bunch of random people on reddit definitely know better than me. 🤷‍♀️

[-] Lyrl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago

Charitably, could there be some kind of regional difference where people living in certain places truly have something different? Over the winter, I came across a thread asking for radiator repair advice, and people from parts of the world with water radiators were very casual "open it up for investigation" while people from parts of the world with steam radiators were like "do not open anything you will die". Lots of confused comments, too, until someone figured out the disconnect.

[-] greatwhitebuffalo41@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 weeks ago

I think the thread was region specific but this was a long time ago so I could be misremembering.

[-] HoneyMustardGas@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

They will argue with anyone because there is no consequences behind an anonymous account.

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[-] JennyLaFae 12 points 3 weeks ago

Way too many people think trans people's right to exist is a debate.

The reading comprehension and overall common sense on this website is piss poor.

I struggle to recall any "meaningful" debates.

[-] HoneyMustardGas@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

There is no debate. Everyone has the right to exist. How could someone argue against that. They are just shouting idiocy.

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[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

That all genocides are bad and if you deny Ukraine or the Uyghurs in China being genocides then you’re bad too.

[-] HoneyMustardGas@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Who believes a genocide could be good? That's ridiculous.

[-] luthis@lemmy.nz 5 points 3 weeks ago

Go ask the people who love Mao over on ml

[-] Iconoclast@feddit.uk 4 points 3 weeks ago

The term genocide implies the intent to eradicate a people. While Russia has definitely used genocidal language in the past, I wouldn't necessarily go as far as to claim that this is what they're actually intending to do. As far as I can tell, they just want to conquer the land and rule over the people there.

[-] FishFace@piefed.social 5 points 3 weeks ago

If you look at what they did in some of the territories they have now left, like Bucha, and at their abduction of Ukrainian children to then be russified, there are definitely genocidal aspects to the war.

The purpose of the whole war is not genocide, but within it are acts constituting genocide.

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[-] c64z86@piefed.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

The treatment of those with disabilities or who are just down on their luck, by the mostly apethic "I'm alright jack" public. I've had many arguments with those who thought that just because somebody needed benefits that they were milking the system.

The most disgusting and revolting thing I can read on the subject from somebody is "if I've managed to get by fine without state help and support, so can/should they"... And yes many do actually think this way, sometimes even to those who need wheelchairs or other aids.

Sometimes I've managed to convince them to care about somebody other than themleves for a change, sometimes I've caused them to go away thinking about it, and other times I've caused them to double down on their stance.

Either way, the engagements were meaningful and eye opening and I'll defend this position until the day I die because nobody has any business being that disgusting towards other human beings.

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[-] lucg@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

Buying a Pixel to install GrapheneOS is not the only reasonable alternative to mainstream Android.

Each person has their own threat model. My priorities will be very different from a journalist in China, a whistleblower, or even my own mom. Some are more at risk of ransomware and a device with root is risky. For myself, I'd incur that risk as a power user and would rather my phone can be backed up so I don't have to worry about it breaking. GrapheneOS devs/followers believe that security is the only thing you must ever want, nothing else matters, and everything else is irrelevant, as though Google or street thugs will come to your house and exploit your bootloader if you don't give them data voluntarily. They just don't realistically question the statements the project makes, like what threats are worth mitigating (ubiquitous tracking? Who cares, I've got security patches and a locked bootloader!) and what options they're giving up by using GrapheneOS that's about as locked-down as the average Samsung phone. The marketing game is super strong because it's hard to argue against at scale: everyone's situation is different and "don't you want to be safe?"

[-] zxqwas@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

Probably 15 years since I had more than a 5 or so back and forths about anything. I lose interest and just stop replying.

[-] Epp@lemmus.org 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

AI usage. People who blindly hate it fail to realize you can use AI locally without empowering the shitty corporations that are buying up all the RAM/storage and being irresponsible with their water usage for cooling. Data centers suck, but AI is awesome.

[-] Fredthefishlord 4 points 2 weeks ago

That's a pretty blind take that ignores the other reasons people hate AI. Also, good lord tech bro logic.

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[-] gwl 3 points 3 weeks ago

Where did the training data come from?

Oh yeah, shitty corporations that scraped the web.

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[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 weeks ago

That historical events can be approached and assessed without contemporary extrapolations. But to boil down years of internets, including old ezboard forums, I'd say it's been over the Clean Wehrmacht theory/myth.

I used to be really into WW2 history communities and I would routinely approach things objectively and piss a bunch of nerds off who pervert history and just want to obsess over how Hitler could've won.

So I have argued far too much with people who hate Hitler just because he lost the war to Stalin. Like, primary sources would mean nothing. I'd have correspondence transcripts from commanders and diplomats, and they'd have their latest Hearts of Iron game run.

[-] Meatwagon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

That women should have the ability to give informed consent at a doctor's office.

I've had to argue for decades that birth control shouldn't be held hostage until women submit to a pap smear.

It's flat out unethical to hold a prescription until a patient does an unrelated screening, no matter how good your intentions are. It'd be like doctors withholding Viagra until a guy got his prostate checked annually. Yes, it's a good idea to do cancer screening but no one should be coerced into any medical procedure against their will, especially such an intimate and invasive one. This only happens to women.

And yet you'd think I told them they should skin their new puppy alive. The amount of vitriol and even sexual harassment I got for maintaining this was mind blowing. And it was always from other women. I was told I'm a little girl, or not a "real" woman like it's some sort of twisted right of passage.

I wasn't debating that the exam doesn't save lives or that people should stop having it done, just that women should have a choice and not be coerced - that it should be treated just like colonoscopies in that it's entirely voluntary.

It hasn't been that big of an issue in recent years. But early 2010s holyshit you'd think women didn't think that they should have bodily autonomy (and a lot of this was coming from fellow pro-choicers!).

This was a thing in the southern US. I know the North half of the country wasn't as insane.

[-] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 weeks ago

I used to go out of my way to argue with people on Facebook about vaccines and about representation of minorities in media. I liked to yell at antivaxxers and bigots

[-] FishFace@piefed.social 5 points 3 weeks ago

Right here on Lemmy, someone argued with me for weeks that the mathematical conventions on order of operations can be proven, and that all calculators obey them. You can find calculator manuals with explicit examples that don't obey the conventions, and as a one time mathematician, his attempts at proofs are pathetic. Anyone who persists with him no matter how polite, will be faced with rudeness and condescension.

I found the guy on Mastodon where he peddles the full suite of common mathematical wrongness (he thinks 0.999... ≠ 1) and recently he tried to do an inductive proof in an "educational" thread and got completely schooled by someone else. He was unable to understand that he was wrong.

He claims to be a maths teacher, but his ability ran out at school and he's to arrogant to realise.

[-] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Were you arguing with Terrence Howard?

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[-] HoneyMustardGas@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Mathematics will always fascinate me. I am too wise to argue with experts on it. I am not that naive. I love the YouTube channel Numberphile. It really kept my attention better than "college math" lol.

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[-] Tiral@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

People that believe all that ghost shit on YouTube is real. It's basically boomers and religious tards with a 3rd grade education that don't understand how easy it is to edit video for the average person. They all comment "May Christ protect you" and other crap like that. While these people pump out an episode every week like clock work where they're possessed, attacked, or some other BS. Best part is when they go "we almost died" over and over, because name one person on a paranormal investigation that died that isn't an obvious natural cause.

[-] 7uWqKj@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Idiots who don’t understand that vi is better then Emacs

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[-] YabbaDabbaDipshit@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Easily trump

[-] Iconoclast@feddit.uk 4 points 3 weeks ago

AI and the meaning of the terminology around it. Usually starts when someone confidently makes the incorrect claim that LLMs are not AI.

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[-] HoneyMustardGas@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

What about women in video games?

[-] felsiq@piefed.zip 6 points 3 weeks ago

Until OP answers, I’m imagining it’s whether they exist or not

[-] Zorque@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

I'm pretty sure they're all just really pixels.

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[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

People on social media get irrationally angry when I point out that all science confirms that physical punishment of children for the purpose of behavior change or discipline is a net negative. For both the development of the child and also society as a whole. And as such, any corporeal punishment of children should be considered assault and child abuse. People will desperately defend their right to exert violence on their own children.

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[-] notsosure@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 weeks ago

Israel / Palestine - whatever you say, you always get attacked.

[-] tyrant@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

How dare you say that about them!!

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[-] gwl 4 points 3 weeks ago

local AI has none of the ethical issues of big corporate AI

From people who self-identify as Leftist too

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