this is a bullshit argument

one side in US politics is pretty ANTI death camp while the other is very much PRO death camp. lesser evil voting in this case is ANTI death camp

you putz

This is a false premise. Instead of choosing which evil we want to accept, we can choose which evil we prefer to resist.

You vote for the lesser evil because that's the limit of what you can achieve in the voting booth. But voting isn't the only thing you can do to change society, obviously. I think these kinds of posts are missing the bigger picture

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This is how you know someone only cares about their own moral superiority complex and is the type of person that loves handing out arbitrary purity tests.

People like you are actually just at harmful to left wing goals as any fascist or neoliberal. You are the rot from within.

...but you don't live in a world where one party is building 50 and the other 51. That's just a strawman to avoid taking responsibility for having to choose between the actual options, not the options you wish you had.

Idk, if given the choice between 50 death camps or 51 death camps, it would be pretty fucked up to choose 51.

Problem solved! We'll all just go...not vote?

Hmmm...that doesn't seem right. Doesn't that let all the people who really want to vote for the 51 death camps decide who's in charge then?

You only say that because you want the 51 death camps party to win.

For the love of Christ. If it comes down to 50 death camps vs 51 death camps and you couldn't muster up enough loud vocal grass roots support for 'no death camps' to make it feel like there is even an outside chance of winning enough that people don't feel that they have to vote for the lesser 50, then maybe you should examine why that is. I'm tired of this stupid fucking argument.

Biden admitted he didn't want the DOJ to go after Trump for sedition in a hope for bipartsianship. He could have released the Epstein files then unredacted but didn't. He has a history of voting for federal increases to police budgets, he was the sponsor on the bill making it nearly impossible to discharge federal student loans in bankruptcy. And that's just Biden.

What to know what's most damning about the Democrats? In the build up to this situation, through it all, when they had enough power to do something they didn't do it. Obama could of put in changes to federal student loans but didn't, they were a problem way before then. They had decades to codify Roe vs Wade into law instead of a supreme court ruling.

At best they're inactive and inattentive.

We need a revolution 🇦🇱✊🏼nothing will improve until the pedophile class lives in fear

Vote local, vote to end FPTP.

Tell me, what's the alternative?

I don't see one. You're just fucking grandstanding.

So, I'm what, supposed to not vote at all?

Then the actual evil will win

Damn election season already?

This is true. The problem is, in a lot of US elections, you only have bad choices. You have really bad, and a little less bad than really bad. What I wouldn't give for ranked choice voting.

I wish it was possible to get lesser evilists to think rationally and critically examine their ideology, but they've so internalized their ideology as "rational" that they can't even recognize it as an ideology at all. They are exactly the sort of irrational, blind dogmatists they accuse everyone else of being.

Lesser evil voting is simply the limited options given to us under a broken system.

Until the system can be broken, I'd still rather attempt to cause less harm and impede the organization to break the system as little as possible.

I'll vote for the least establishment option amongst our de-facto options presented when it's time to vote. In the meantime I'll help with organizing, with advocacy, with 3rd party groups, with building alternatives to our capitalist system to support the revolution when it's time.

Would you rather me not vote and allow one more to not be countered towards the more establishment option that would work towards pulling back our rights even faster?

There shouldn't be any death camps, fucking obviously, but that would be 1 less we have to destroy in the coming days. Work to break the system so we don't have death camps, but also work to slow it down as much as possible so we have less to fight to break the system.