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I fucking hate that we keep getting this "both sides bad" ideology, now "both sides deathcamp" ffs, right during Trump's reign where we are seeing concentration camps and illegal wars right after a boring Biden presidency.
Boring? There was and still is literally a genocide going on.
But thanks for proving the meme right.
How many were active during biden's campaign, how many did he not shut down?
Why was nothing done about abortion rights?
Why did he support (and not just "not being vocal" about) the israeli state during an active genocide?
Your "blue team" is just as complicit.
I don't think the person you're replying to is defending Biden. It isn't a defense of Biden's failure to act to say that Trump is, quite obviously, worse in every aspect. It is insane to think otherwise because the genocide got WORSE under Trump.
The point is that dipshits/losers/morons/accelerationists sit here and say both sides are bad, when one side is actively worse and they do not care that the one obviously worse side is killing multiple-folds more people while they pretend to smugly assert how good it must be to choose no evil while everyone else struggles to work with the hand they've been forcibly dealt.
You let me know when you step up and assassinate a billionaire, alright, bud? I'll respect your stance then.
We don't care about your respect, we don't respect anything liberals do while defending empire and their shade of fascism
"Everyone is a liberal that disagrees with me" is a great lie to tell yourself at night.
Want to hear something interesting though? Trump is actually not worse than Obama in every way.
Trump has deported 1.5 million people across all of his years in office so far. Want to guess how many Obama deported?
3 million.
So actually Trump is the lesser evil when it comes to deportations if you take this approach.
The reality is that they're both horrible but for different reasons.
I think that is a really gross thing to say from someone who didn't pay attention to the ongoing rapes of children in ICE concentration camps. I think that's a gross thing to say to the militarized presence of ICE kidnapping people as they left their court hearings to be here. I think that's a gross thing to say to the people attacked by ICE for protecting their neighbors. I think that's a gross thing to say to the people who got married and had to pick up their partner's green card because they were arresting them and shipping them all over the country.
To say that it's a smaller number is insane because it treats immigrants not as people that are still suffering right now (I have neighbors that still can't fucking go to work because ICE is still here), but as numbers and this one is smaller. That is such a dumb and pathetic argument that it shows you as hopelessly heartless or desperately dumb, and I don't thing it matters which is worse.
That's literally what harm reducer less evil people are saying. "Dropping 50 bombs is better than dropping 51 bombs" and "50 concentration camps is better than 51".
If you agree that reducing it down to just these raw numbers is disgusting, congratulations, you got the point! Lesser evil voting is pretty disgusting. Thank you for playing.
You just said 1.5 million apples are better than 3 million oranges.
So, you're not even right in that vein.
But, like, if they were the same degree wrong, 1.5 million would be better, right? Or do you disagree?
I disagree with the entire framing of harm reduction as a valid reason to vote for the lesser evil in elections. I think it's absurd and horribly wrong for exactly the reasons you stated. 1.5M is actually less than 3M, but that doesn't mean it's harm reduction.
Harm reduction doesn't always mean harm. It does eventually mean that things that do nothing are better than harm, and things that do more good are better than less good. But right now, harm is being caused no matter how you choose. So if you are forced to pick, you should pick less. Every time.
So.... all this is just what? Partisanism? You can't extend this to prison system and police killings? You can't extend this to the bombing and total destruction of sovereign nations? You can't extend this to shipping arms to genocidal regimes and protecting them in the UN? It's only valid harm reduction if you're voting for Democrats regardless of the active harm they do?
I mean, do you not see the contradiction in your own words here?
There is no contradiction. That 3 million number is bad, but it is still better than the 1.5 million number because of the methods used. Because prisoners didn't go down under Republicans. The prison system didn't get better under Republicans. Police killings didn't get better under Republicans. Like, I know it's gauche to try to compare hurt, but I do not see any Republicans calling for a rehabilitation system instead of a punitive system, but I do see some Democrats call for it, even if very few.
Like, it's sort of like telling me to pick between 1000 thefts being committed vs 100 murders, and, like, yeah, obviously I'll take 1000 thefts over the murders. I don't want either, but I have two fucking choices.
Which would you pick? Remember, there's quantitatively less crimes with the murders! Oh, you didn't pick? That just means someone else gets to pick for you.
My friend, read a bit of history, your whole society is based on genocide and exploitation.
I am not defending trump nor biden because the whole country should be treated as the Chernobyl exclusion zone.
Since you asked, Biden increased police, ICE, and detention center funding to their highest levels. Because of Biden's 69 cop cities across the country local police and ICE are being trained by IDF, the same people that trained Derek Chauvin when he murdered James Floyd. Before he left office he requested an additional 42k detention center beds be created.
Biden was enabling, paying for, and funding that genocide then denying there was one. Harris wanted the world most lethal military while reiterating Israel has a right to exist and rh is will protect their interests.
It's coming up to election season, so all the sabateuor bots are spinning up again to try and convince people like you not to vote.
That's why it's the same 10 accounts in every fucking group. Same dudes, over and over, making the same illogical bad-faith arguments.
The boring Biden presidency where kids we still being put in cages, where children were put in solitary confinement, where racialized mass incarceration in the US is still the worst in the world and including parole and supervision is triple the volume of any other country on the planet and with some of the worst recidivism and the only country charging prisoners hundreds of dollars a day? Boring like protecting Trump and the rest from DOJ prosecution over the Epstein situation? Boring like 1100 killed by police? Boring like bombing the Nord Stream 2 and bombing Yemen, Syria, and Iraq?
This is what we mean. You are so far into harm reduction that you are literally incapable of understanding that Biden's term was not boring but mass murderously tragic.
@terranoid @Triumph ITs a good cop/ bad cop situation. In the US the DNC "failed" to punish Trump for an attempt to overthrow the Goverment.
Additionally the border camps got correctly called concentration camps in 2019 and Biden started to fill them.
https://www.bu.edu/articles/2019/are-ice-detention-centers-concentration-camps/
How long do you think it takes to run a trial? Like, gather evidence, interrogate witnesses, investigate, etc. In fact, what do you think happens to bring about a trial?
And why would the DNC be involved with that?
Also, was Biden President in 2019?
@webadict And here is it how it actually done when the "Opposition" isn't on your team:
Bolsonaro sentenced to 27 years in jail - what you need to know
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy4d409v2neo
Okay, so which question does that answer? Unfortunately, Trump lives in the US where the President somehow has complete immunity to everything, which seems more like an indictment on the Supreme Court than on Biden or other Democrats. It might even be an indictment of the voters, for electing Trump and giving him immunity to his crimes.
@webadict You didnt ask questions you implied that they couldnt Persecute Trump "Because there wasnt enough time". Biden could have jailed him due to the same immunity from the Supreme court.
Also you know blaming the voters for not persecuting Trump is a new low.
Additionally I almost forgot about Yoon Suk Yeol who got arrested for a similar coup attempt:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrest/_of/_Yoon/_Suk/_Yeol
weird that other countries seem to be able to punish coup attempts. Almost as long there is political will...
A new low? Okay, pal. I'm not entirely sure where you think my old low was, but sure? I asked some pretty basic questions because I legitimately don't think you know how the US legal system works. And it's fair not to. Pointing to other countries on how corruption is dealt with, insofar as what could've or should've been done, doesn't override the way that the US system works. Why don't you point to other corruption cases for lower offices in the US? Those also take years to investigate and prosecute. Some of the lower office corruption cases can be wrapped up in a little as a few months, but then tend not to.
Does that help point out the issue?
@webadict So you ignored the comment i made about Garland?
‘Fatal Mistake’: Democrats Blame DOJ As Trump Escapes Accountability For Jan. 6
“Merrick Garland wasted a year,” Rep. Jerrold Nadler said ahead of the fourth anniversary of the 2021 Capitol riot.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/january-6-doj-trump/_n/_67783f7ce4b0f0fdb7b19d36
Also i am not your "pal". Its simply ultra low when liberals keep blaming DNC failures on the electorate. No wonder Democrats approval rating is sub 30% with their own base.
Again, little buddy, I must ask if you think the DNC controls the DoJ? Blaming Merrick Garland is certainly a fair point, and it's one you can bring against Biden himself since he nominated him! That is fair. But, you still haven't used US corruption cases to support your words on how long the average corruption case takes to investigate and prosecute.
Like, I get you want to blame Democrats for everything because you have some sort of agenda or personal grievance or whatever the fuck. I don't really give a shit why. They are surely to blame for many things, and the DNC is also to blame for many things. But, I really don't think the Democrats are to blame for Trump not being held accountable. Especially since Trump has been held accountable on several smaller scales by mostly Democrats.
But, anyway, feel free to call all your perceived enemies liberals or whatever, my dude. You're doing great! :)
@webadict
If you don't like to debate leftists then don't come into our places and start shit as soon as you loose.
You ignored everything I said because you don't really think about your positions. You're just a little guy who links news articles. You don't know anything, buddy. I'm sorry that you don't think I'm a leftist because I vote for harm reduction. I want my trans friends to live, and that will keep them alive longer.
@webadict Yes i linked articles.
Because that way, unlike you i don't have to make shit up to make a point.
I have not read anything from you that indicates an informed position.
The DNC is indefensible and already signalled that they throw Trans people under the bus.
Harm reduction needs to reduce harm. I dont see any harm reduction with Dems in power. Id love to link examples but making you read articles is apparently bad.
@Benaresh @webadict Javier Milei next? And then there's the current US administration...!
@tompearce49 @webadict One can only hope. I for my part couldn't wipe the grin off my face for a week at least.
@Benaresh @webadict
RICHTIG GUT.😍😍😍
@IngridAusOL @webadict Schön wenn Demokratie funktioniert wie sie sollte, oder?
Wünschte wir würden das selbe bei uns mit dem AFD Verbotsverfahren anstoßen.
@Benaresh @webadict
Das wünsche ich uns auch 💪✊💪
How long did it take Müller to break silence, Garland to charge?
Mueller (that's his name, btws, he's not German) is probably a bad person to use, mostly because he was a Republican, but also because I'm not sure which silence you mean: The Clinton emails or like, the rampant corruption from Trump? Because those are both unrelated to charges being brought forth, since the email thing was still being investigated for more than a year afterward, and the Mueller Report took a couple years? Garland (who was also a Republican) also took years. These are all multi-year long investigations, you need to bring up something faster, buddy.
As I said elsewhere, it's extremely relevant as policy needs to be viewed as a continuum.
And you didn't use a continuum. You used two examples. Where are the other examples in America that show this? Can we look at how long Watergate took? That seems a pretty resounding example because it took years for that one too.
This is why the United States public sits by with handwringing and zero action. Every admin since Nixon has been to the right of Nixon. Socially left and economically right is just right with a few concessions. They fragment, lie, white/pink/green/rainbow/sanewash our history, our education, our politics, our economy, our personalities, our health, our lives so that people think they are very clever and pay attention to garbage they shouldn't, and view things to which we should give heavy attention via a fragmentary lens. And this is why fascism will win, here
Eta: the continuum is all over Lemmy, if you cba
Hm, that is a pretty self-defeating attitude, and it kinda infers that instead of debating online that you should be out there fighting the system. I kinda agree with you, so I think your efforts are better off elsewhere.
If you want, I agree that it shouldn't be like that. So, I will just concede the argument, because I would rather we do better together than have you think that I like it that way or something. Is that fair?
It's self defeating on you, not me. Yeah as soon as I recover from a serious injury for which I am somewhere in between paperwork and approval, I'll be back out there.
I mean, I did just concede the argument, so I guess that's true. Regardless, I'll still be out there with you.
I look forward to it.
@webadict ‘Fatal Mistake’: Democrats Blame DOJ As Trump Escapes Accountability For Jan. 6
“Merrick Garland wasted a year,” Rep. Jerrold Nadler said ahead of the fourth anniversary of the 2021 Capitol riot.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/january-6-doj-trump/_n/_67783f7ce4b0f0fdb7b19d36