transcription: saying "male to female" instead of just trans woman is like referring to fully grown people as "baby to adult". ahh... so you used to be a baby????? are you telling be you were BORN a baby... but then... hormones turned you into an adult? nice try. giant baby
I used to get very confused as a cis woman thinking "trans" meant "transitioned from".
I now simply ignore the "trans" and just follow with the identity. So ~~trans~~ woman is just woman, because that is all that matters.
Or how about just WOMAN and leave it at that? I didn't transition to be trans, ya know..
this, unless the conversation is about my transition just call me a woman
Yeah, I just refer to people as their preferred pronouns? Like it's pretty easy. I just have to repeat what they tell me. If I don't know their pronouns I just use the ancient secret technique of calling them by their name....crazy I know.
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I just don't know any scenario where anyone would specify trans woman or male to female unless someone was self identifying on the internet.
I think I have the equivalence of facial blindness for gender, so I really know not to make assumptions greater than something like dresses are usually worn by people presenting as feminine. But then again I am really out of touch with fashion, so I'm not even totally confident about that.
Maybe some people make a habit of clocking people in public? But I honestly don't know how anyone goes about doing so with any confidence. A while ago people were using their pronouns when introducing themselves at my work and that was soo helpful for me, now I just avoid pronouns all together unless people use them in front of me first.
Maybe some people make a habit of clocking people in public? But I honestly don’t know how anyone goes about doing so with any confidence.
They probably don't really care if they're disrespectful or wrong. The only person I've had do that immediately made it clear he fetishizes trans women and doesn't even respect their pronouns and opted for using pronouns usually used by transphobic people to refer to me and others like me and still tried asking me out to lunch alone...
They probably don't really care if they're disrespectful or wrong.
I guess I hadn't thought of that.... I suppose it makes sense that a person who doesn't respect a random woman, doesn't respect women general.
fetishizes trans women and doesn't even respect their pronouns and opted for using pronouns usually used by transphobic people to refer to me and others like me and still tried asking me out to lunch alone...
Ahh the bigoted chaser, why is this such a common entity? You would think if you really had the hots for a specific group of people you would learn not to cock block yourself by automatically being a complete ghoul. I guess it's almost a good thing these types flag themselves as fetishists so often, might be worse off if they learn to fake human decency.
It reminds me of people talking about gay marriage. The qualifiers are useful only in the context where it actually matters. Like equal rights. It's not like after getting the right to vote, women started women voting. I don't gay-verb things on a day to day basis, as funny as it would be to say I gay-cook and gay-brush-my-teeth.
I use trans man/woman now, but when I was learning about trans people that description was helpful for me to get the direction/terminology right.
I had a lot of things to learn. In hindsight, yeah, it’s really obvious. But I get confused by obvious things other people just get very easily (like it took me a while to figure out why we don’t start counting stuff at zero).
I remember being confused about it as well, thinking that "trans man" means someone who used to be a man, but is trans, so you apply "trans" to "man" and you get "trans man" (I might be autistic?). I was like "if a 'man' transitioned already, why do we say trans woman instead of just woman??" I now understand it more and it kinda makes sense, but I was really stumped for some time.
why we don't start counting stuff at zero
I might have the right career for you lol
Yeah, I was confused when I got hate for that.
"Trans woman is a man."
I thought the word "trans" acted as a negation operator.
Considering the username they might already be in the field
I had the same confusion years ago, long before I transitioned
Same. Given how much of the conversation about trans people are influenced by cis people who don't understand trans people, how am I supposed to know if "trans man/woman" is the way trans people refer to themselves or cis people being transphobic?
As a cis person subscribing to this (in order to be a better human and "ally"), I just want to quickly thank you all for having these conversations in public. I get that OP's post was humour, but reading the finer points (and personal variations) is incredibly enlightening. Thank you.
To me it's like the wording "you're a man who became a woman." It's offensive for many reasons, but I think the biggest reason why it's so offensive is because at the end of the day, you still called me a man. If you were saying that I'm "a woman who used to be a man", it would still be deeply inaccurate, but much less offensive, because, well, at least you're calling me a woman this time around.
Either way, no matter how you say it, this obsession with what I used to be according to you is not only offensive, but it is kinda creepy. I am what I told you that I was.
Sorry but this just makes me think Big baby doesn't want you to know things
All anyone’s getting out of me is that I’m ABAB. (assigned baby at birth)
All babies are bastards.
Damn straight
Assigned bastard at baby?
Assigned cop at birth
Just found out the secret BABA is you levels and I see a level here
Damn... They have a point
Man thats embarrassing, I sure am glad I was never a baby
I was once a baby but I grew out of it.
Yeah i dont like to be referred to by being trans. Its like referring to me by an event that happened to me. And one thats been unpleasant. It doesnt define me
I think "male to female" can be helpful in telling what they transitioned from to what. Trans woman might confuse someone in that they wouldn't know if the person transitioned to or from woman.
For future reference trans woman=woman, trans man=man, both referring to the person as they are in the present.
"From what to what" doesn't really apply to a person whose soul/self has always been the same gender even though their body parts didn't align.
And only use "trans woman" or "trans man" if their transition experience is the subject of the conversation. .
Otherwise, leave the past in the past and use woman or man like you would for yourself.
This will also help you avoid offending cis people who just happen to have atypical features and body shape.
I remember what trans womand and trans man means, but I don't think many instinctively do
Does it matter? Why not just "woman"?
Trans if they are proud of that and want it to be known, but I don't think most people want to necessarily broadcast what they were before, just what they are now and maybe that they are part of minority community that has been disrespected historically but that they feel proud to represent.
Depends what the discussion is about. And you don't want to get it wrong either
Why would anyone want to get it wrong?
Huh? I was just saying how people don't want to get it wrong
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