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[-] OldQWERTYbastard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 195 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The uneducated don't ask questions or suspect they're being taken advantage of. This is by design.

[-] osanna@lemmy.vg 17 points 2 weeks ago

I'm dumb and poorly educated, but i still don't like dumpy mcshitpants.

[-] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago

Skill issue, not dumb enough

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[-] bluefootedbooby@sopuli.xyz 119 points 2 weeks ago

Fun fact on why Missisipi, of all the places, improved: they introduced a law that a child cannot be promoted to next year if they do not pass reading proficiency test.

Who knew the shame of repeating a year can be motivator enough for kids and parents.

[-] Aatube@lemmy.dbzer0.com 69 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

it’s more than that: they’ve been hiring literacy coaches to sit in on and improve literacy classes across the state and rating schools while double-counting the performance of the bottom 25%. plus lots of testing

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/10/podcasts/the-daily/mississippi-schools-test-scores.html

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[-] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 105 points 2 weeks ago
[-] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 35 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I suspect a big reason for this can be blamed on the US no longer teaching kids to read with the phonics method (learning how yo sound out words by individual letters), and instead have been teaching a method to figure out what a word means with context clues, but many kids cannot sound out an unfamiliar word since they weren't taught the phonics method.

Only now are states beginning to reverse that in an attempt to reverse reduced literacy rates, which will take some time to have a noticeable effect.

[-] jtrek@startrek.website 26 points 2 weeks ago

In a 2019 interview, Goodman responded to criticisms of three cueing, saying that "word recognition is a preoccupation" and emphasizing that he places greater value on making sense of language as a whole than understanding specific words. In response to the example of children failing to distinguish between "pony" and "horse", Goodman argued that it was irrelevant whether children understood the specific word, as "pony" and "horse" are similar concepts, and a reader failing to distinguish between them would still understand the meaning of the story as a whole.

Absolute nightmare

[-] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 22 points 2 weeks ago

He’s literally describing what people with functional illiteracy do to work around being unable to read at a working level. He’s describing it as an acceptable goal. Batshit crazy.

[-] THB@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago

That's some ponyshit reasoning.

[-] Hapankaali@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago

Similar trends are observed in other countries, so the explanation isn't US-specific.

Instead, it's simpler: kids read less than they used to, and when they do, it's social media-tier.

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[-] bigfish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 weeks ago

Pandemic definitely hit this too. The schools in my state have consistently scored about one grade level down for every cohort that was in school during 2020. That experiment in fully remote schooling (elementary through highschool) definitely failed - it's as if they didn't even go to school that year.

[-] Lyrl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 weeks ago

The pandemic made things worse, but something bigger is going on.

The new data provides the first national comparison of school districts through 2025, and... underscores that many districts have experienced a long-term slump in student achievement, not just a blip during the pandemic.

From 2017 to 2019, students lost as much ground in reading as they did during the pandemic, and reading scores continued to fall at a similar rate through 2024.

Students’ test scores had been increasing since 1990 — then abruptly stopped in the mid-2010s. That coincided with two events: an easing of federal school accountability under No Child Left Behind, which was replaced in 2015, and the rise of smartphones, social media and personalized school laptops.

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[-] megopie 34 points 2 weeks ago

A big part of the issue is a lot of states abandoning “phonic” based teaching for “whole language”. In phonics the focus is on teaching how letters come together to form the sound of a word, while whole language is based on just memorizing the pronunciation of words. kids being taught how to sound out words will take longer to get to a point of being able to read out short simple text, but whole language can get them reading simple stuff with all the words they’ve already been taught very quickly.

The problem is that when you move past simple stuff only using words they’ve memorized, a kid taught to sound out words will be able to figure out words they haven’t seen before, meaning that they can start to learn new words passively just by reading more complex books. The whole language taught kids need to learn every new word by instruction or by just guessing based on context, making it much harder and slower. It gets frustrating quickly and kids taught this way rarely develop a real interest in reading due to that difficulty.

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[-] brown567@sh.itjust.works 31 points 2 weeks ago

Damnit NYT, states have an abbreviation standard!

[-] nickiwest@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

Journalists have always used the old postal abbreviations. It's part of the Associated Press style.

The NYT has its own style guide that doesn't always match the AP.

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[-] CombatWombat@feddit.online 30 points 2 weeks ago

Sometimes I wonder if we should have a “learn to read” community where we post an article or short stories or excerpts of longer works with some comprehension questions and discuss in the comments. Where discussing what you think about a headline or article is forbidden and only discussion about what it actually says is allowed.

[-] jtrek@startrek.website 21 points 2 weeks ago

Some sort of online community for people to practice reading, especially critically so they practice skills like recognizing subtext, irony, themes, etc, could probably be cool

Unfortunately, the people on a text based platform like Lemmy probably have better than average reading skills. The people who need more help probably stick to video.

Also there's a surprising amount of anti-intellectualism, sometimes, where people say things like "it's just a story it doesn't have any deeper meaning!". Fundamental misunderstanding of how meaning works. (You don't find the correct answer. You make up an answer and justify it with the text.)

[-] techt@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

Just speaking for myself, but even though I don't "need" help I still feel my literacy becoming more siloed and my patience for reading reducing over time, so a community for collaborative/social reading would be motivating for me. Plus I have friends and family who could use the same encouragement or examples of what to read, so I'd participate for the inspo.

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[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago

The GOP welcomes their future voters. The dumber they are, the better for Republican votes.

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Some heavily blue states plummeting too here.

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[-] LemmyFeed@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 2 weeks ago
[-] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 28 points 2 weeks ago

If they could read, they'd probably be really mad about that.

[-] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago

Per the article:

The data includes third- through eighth-grade test scores for districts in 40 states and the District of Columbia, as of the end of last school year. It accounts for about 68 percent of U.S. school districts nationwide. (Ten states were excluded, among them New York and Illinois, because of high opt-out rates or noncomparable data.)

Oddly, only 38 states + DC in the graphic shared here

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[-] mellibird@feddit.online 24 points 2 weeks ago

Something I've also noticed lately. Basic fucking math. I more often than not pay in cash, and recently I've had more than one person at more than one place give me incorrect change. And just not like a few cents, but dollars amount wrong. And when I try correcting them they're so adamant they're right even when I'm like... dude, you owe me 50 cents, not 3 dollars.

[-] bridgeburner@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

Doesn't the register show the cashier how much change he has to give out? Or are the math skills so bad that even just counting is already a challenge?

[-] 1D10@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

No idea where dude is shopping but I haven't seen a register that didn't show the change in the last 20 years. When I worked retail cashiers were told to never do math just put the numbers in the machine and give the customer what ever the machine says.

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[-] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 23 points 2 weeks ago

Not a single mention of food insecurity or nutrition in student outcomes, despite the fact that BEFORE the economy went sideways due to this stupid ass war 20% of homes with children were food-insecure. Only the deepest level of reporting from the NYT 🙄

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[-] SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago

Soon in the red states, it will be a badge of honor to be illiterate. Tr*mp loves the poorly educated bigly.

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[-] 404found@lemmy.zip 20 points 2 weeks ago

Less education funding. Inflation. Schools closing. Low teacher pay. Large class sizes. National funding being tied to standardized testing.

Whenever school funding is on the ballot in my state, it rarely passes. Kids and teachers do not have the resources they need to be successful and it will continue to get worse until the president makes it a point to improve it. This is far from a new problem though. The government wants our nation to be full of people with below average intellect. I don't see any other reason not to invest in everyone's future.

[-] Bustedknuckles@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

It's not just financial though. Mississippi spends around $12k per student, and Oregon spends about $17k - that's over 40% more per kid. California spends $24k. The way we do schools needs to be fixed top-to-bottom

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[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago

The US is working its way toward illiteracy. Republicans need this to install a permanent set of oligarchs in the government.

[-] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

"Video is the future. If it's not on youtube, people don't care."

Reaping what the internet has been sowing for the past decade.

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[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

When I was in junior high they decided we weren't reading enough. So for 40 minutes or so after lunch we had a reading period where everyone just read novels. Might be a good idea again.

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[-] 000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 weeks ago

Did you mean across the U.S.?

[-] mabeledo@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

I would like to know what’s the influence of first generation immigration in these charts, because the states are kind of shit at reporting that.

My kids speak Spanish. They can read in both Spanish and English, but they learned Spanish first, so it took them a while to catch up in English. Many of their classmates come from Spanish speaking families, English is their second language, and they have a bit more of trouble. The issue here is that state level standardized testing doesn’t seem to care about Spanish at all, so you may find a bunch of very smart kids who score below average just because they speak more than one language, which is frankly insane.

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[-] danekrae@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Just the way the politicians like it...

[-] mkwt@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

When I was a kid, MS and LA were #50 and #49 in all of these kinds of lists. It amazes me to see all these other states racing to tank their scores down to the bottom.

[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago
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[-] angband@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

What about the other 12 states?

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[-] slacktoid@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago

Hey good for Mississippi!

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