Locking this for right now, this thread has gotten out of hand. Edit: unlocked. Please behave.
It appears that the mods have actual 0 issues with hosting Nazi content, do we have an alternative community? I'm going to block this one soon.
Overeacted, but yes
Nazis don't get a platform. Not sure why this is even a debate unless it looks like a debate because a bunch of nazis are whining about it and get told to fuck off. In which case, good, gtfo.
Nazis don’t get a platform.
Sadly, nazis already have too many platforms.
This is unfortunately true.
I woke up this morning and there's three Stonetosses back to back in my feed.
If we could go ahead and throw them on the ban list, that would be pretty groovy
promoting hate is suppose to be against TOS, unless you make a nazi platform, they can make thier own instances for it. but then right wing propaganda cant flourish in thier own echo chambers , since they need engagement, cant have that if everyone agrees with you.
I preferred the simpler times where it was a simple downvote and move on. Those artists will probably get ratioed anyways and the posts will be sunk.
Witch-Hunt mentality is kinda a lame way to go about things.
That creates an actual slippery slope.
Day 1: everyone just down votes and it's sunk
Day 2: one good day for the nazi tolerant, it gets enough unknowing upvotes to make it to the front page. A handful of anti-fascists block the poster and community.
Day 3: the people who politely raised their concerns above have also left. Everyone who remains is OK with downvoting on a case-by-case basis.
Day 4: people who don't like Nazis are exhausted by having to say no over and over, also leaving.
Day 5: all that's left are Nazis
"Nazi Bar" story for the uninitiated
Back in 2020, a writer named Michael B. Tager wrote a few tweets about his time at a dive bar in his native Baltimore.
While he was enjoying an after work beer he noticed the bartender booting out a seemingly quiet patron. This patron was wearing a jacket covered in Nazi symbolism.
When Tager asked about why he booted the guy, the bartender, a seasoned pro, said that if you let one Nazi in, slowly they replace the clientele.
“You have to nip it in the bud immediately,” he said, as Trager paraphrased. “These guys come in and it's always a nice, polite one. And you serve them because you don't want to cause a scene. And then they become a regular and after a while, they bring a friend. And that dude is cool too.”
“And then THEY bring friends and the friends bring friends and they stop being cool and then you realize, oh *****, this is a Nazi bar now,” he continued. ”And it's too late because they're entrenched and if you try to kick them out, they cause a PROBLEM. So you have to shut them down.”
I'm not sure we need to keep adding rules just for one artist. if the consensus is to ban Jago comics for their content, then that seems like a good decision.
however "bigoted" seems to mean a wide variety of different things now. and it seems that some people are ok with some darker forms of humor than others.
jago is well known for making comics specifically to try and piss people off. but I feel that dark humor should not be banned.
edit: No Jago is not dark humor. Yes Jago comics should be banned from the instance. please stop likening me to a bigot just because my brain is spicy and I have difficulty explaining shit sometimes. thank you.
however “bigoted” seems to mean a wide variety of different things now
No, no it's not, there is a very clear definition of that. However, bigots like to muddy that in order to make their bigotry more social acceptable, but it's important to not fall for that. It has the same "the left just calling everyone nazi this days therefore nobody is a nazi" ring to it, that nazis used to normalise nazism.
i had someone call me a terf cause I said I didn't like a TV show they did. that's what I mean. there's someone clearly being bigoted (like the artist Jago which should be banned from the instance) but not all dark artists rely on being a misogynistic fuck. some just genuinely think darker topics are entertaining. and some are.
that is why I am asking for is leniency on dark humor. (NOT JAGO. HIS COMICS SHOULD BE BANNED. I HAVE TO CLEARLY SPELL THIS OUT SINCE PEOPLE ARE READING OVER THIS POINT, APPARENTLY.)
What was the TV show?
jojo bizarre adventure. why?
Never watched it. I was just curious what show would automatically "terf" someone ifv they didn't like it.
I feel like we are missing a part of this story.
jago's shit is literally just blatantly bigoted. how can anyone see these comics and walk away thinking otherwise?
https://jagodibuja.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/531en-scaled.jpg
https://jagodibuja.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/521en-694x1024.jpg
I'd rather they not be banned, but down voted to oblivion and the comment section highlight the fallacies and falsehoods that it presents and perpetuates.
I can't even downvote on my instance...
If you want to see bigots' comics, there's plenty of other places for you to see them.
We've been censoring social media left and right, putting our heads into sand, and look how well that turned out?
Pushing nazis, incels and bigots into their own little niche spaces and letting them fester is what got us where we are. I'd rather educate, shame and call out in public.
There's plenty of places to find nazis, incels, and bigots. It's called "most platforms." No one is under any obligation to platform hate or to welcome the hateful. Go find another bar if you want one with nazis.
if your reaction to seeing these is anything other than disgust at the turbo-transphobia i've got bad news for you about your moral character as a human being
Jago is not “dark humour” it’s incel garbage that constantly attacks women and trans people.
"if the consensus is to ban Jago comics for their content, then that seems like a good decision"
i know. which is why I wrote this. just pasted it there so you can see it more clearly.
The argument of censorship is bullshit. If a comic is made to discriminate, it is basic decency to get rid of it. If an author makes themselves known by being discriminatory, no platform that cares about user safety and having a non-toxic community needs to get rid of them. It's as simple as that.
When you refuse that kind of "censorship", you are only making it clear that you like making this place unsafe for the people being attacked. Which makes you a piece of shit in my book.
So yeah, let's just ban these things that have no reason to exist, let alone on lemmy.
let them whine and cry about being "censored," canceled, banned, etc. everyone is free to say whatever they want, everyone is also free to take what someone says and throw it out the window.
the consistent widespread tolerance of intolerance is a huge reason the world is on fire right now
The people who really want racist/sexist/etc comics are free to make their own instance or community. This is the fediverse. There's no government with guns or CEO to lock it down.
If that stuff makes for a better community, it will do just fine. I expect it won't.
One of the things right-wingers push for is the idea that they're normal and healthy, and everyone else is deficient. Like everything else from the right, it's projection.
they do, but right wing communities, in most sites usually dont flourish at all, because they wont have anyone to argue against.
I saw these Comics and I don't like them. Medium joke on juicy pictures. But I was like: "A free internet has to be able to handle things like this"
Does banning them not count as "how we handle things like this"?
Banning is censorship. For the good and for the bad.
I was going to point out that comics like that should already be covered by the rules against discrimination... But reading the sidebar it doesn't look like we have rules like that. We have a full paragraph detailing how an exposed nipple should be tagged, but nothing saying "hey, don't be a homophobic sexist bigot". Probably worth adding something to the rules like:
Discrimination such as homophobia, transphobia, sexism and racism are not welcome here. This applies both in comments and posted comics. Likewise, artists who have a large history of posting discriminatory content such as Stonetoss and Jago are similarly not allowed here.
Nazi bars form by exploiting moderators who are too afraid to say no and actively kick out a culture of hate.
Hate should never be tolerated.
I have no comment currently for what will happen regarding bigot artists, I'm not the top mod.
However, please stop making META posts when you made one about the same topic just a few days ago. If the comments on this get out of hand I will lock the thread for civilities sake. Please wait for us to make an announcement about such things, it may take some time.
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