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22 Democrats Sponsor a Bill That Could Censor Abortion Info From the Internet::The Kids Online Safety Act is “a blank check” for Republican AGs to "intimidate any way they can," a digital civil liberties advocate told Jezebel.

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[-] RollForInitiative@feddit.de 127 points 1 year ago

Cmon democrats, you're supposed to be the lesser evil...

[-] Gorgeous_Sloth@sh.itjust.works 138 points 1 year ago
[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

What a simplistic way to look at the problem.

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[-] Spendrill@lemm.ee 67 points 1 year ago

This isn't about kids and it isn't about abortion it's about limiting people's access to unmediated information. The Democrats have just as much to lose as the Republicans if a third party which is a lesser evil than either emerges. Or, seeing as this is America we're talking about, greater evil.

Whatever. They don't want people being able to just organise themselves as they please online.

[-] tabular@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

If you can only vote for one option then the better a 3rd party does the more it hurts the main party closest to it. I would expect Democrats and Republicans to be funding 3rd parties in the hopes of improving their chances of getting the most votes.

[-] WhiteOakBayou@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

For the 2020 election in my state, republican groups funded the campaign to collect signatures for the green party to be on the ballot. So your expectations are met.

[-] tabular@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

It is depressing when people get less representation in their government by voting for a party they want the most to represent them (or worse; the only party they want, or even worse: not having the option of voting "none of these, do this again").

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[-] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Republicans have funded the Green Party for a long time now at least. I wouldn’t be surprised if Dems were funding the libertarian party.

[-] Spendrill@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Was there ever proof that the Republicans donated to Nader in the 2000 election? Seems they did just about everything they could to deny the popular vote...

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[-] agitatedpotato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 year ago

They are, but the question has always been how much evil is acceptable to you, because the democrats know what they are and they'll run whoever they can get away with. The worse the Republican option is, the lower the quality of candidate the Dems will forward. They know what their donors want.

[-] Bonskreeskreeskree@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting evil. It's allowed this country to continue to slip AS A WHOLE in the wrong direction.

[-] TwoGems@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Logically? It's actually not. Democrats are still not alt right facists even if this bill is based in stupidity.

A third party right now can't mathematically win, and the thing is with the current Republican party (which is basically our Nazi party) if you vote for a third party at this point, you are outright throwing your vote to the nazis.

So, yes- it shouldn't ideally work like this, but in reality, does. And not voting Democrat right now or voting third party means voting for Republicans, which is even riskier, and arguably, voting for an even greater evil given Republicans have our Supreme Court packed right now and we can't afford to lose it any elections from here forward.

[-] Bonskreeskreeskree@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

I'd argue many democrats don't support progressive policies. I'd argue many of them are where they are from straight ticket voting. If dems could actually move the needle on policy impacting the general population noticeably, far right repubs wouldn't stand a chance. Instead you have a huge percentage of the population refusing to even participate in elections because they think it's a waste of time. Voting for any and every dem just cause they're a dem sends the message their current policies and performance has been acceptable.

[-] TwoGems@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

If dems could actually move the needle on policy impacting the general population noticeably, far right repubs wouldn't stand a chance.

You also have to ask yourself: why do we have a populace that might vote for a party that will do literally zero for them and will impose a dictatorship (Republicans) vs. a party that has actually passed some decent legislation despite barely having a majority (Democrats).

Democrats aren't perfectly progressive, it's true. It's annoying, but at least still keeping our democracy to gradually change things over time is the logical thing to do and not the emotional one, I guess is what I'm saying.

And we have gotten progressive Democrats in FYI. We just need to add more of them in state races.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/nov/09/democrats-progressive-candidates-races-wins-midterms-congress

Trump's presidency was incredibly damaging. The propaganda is incredibly damaging. It isn't going to be easy but it's gonna take some time.

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[-] uriel238 9 points 1 year ago

Let's put it this way: you have one vote against the worst popular evil by voting for the other evil. So your vote is still necessary to keep the worst one at bay.

If you don't vote or you use your vote for any other reason, one of the two big parties is still going to fill that seat. So your power in this situation is very limited.

If you don't want a Democrat in that office, vote Republican.

If you don't want a Republican in that seat, vote for the Democrat candidate.

Do anything else and one of the two above will take the post.

(Some local elections in the US have been improved from FPTP so you may have better options in those.)

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[-] uriel238 9 points 1 year ago

lesser, but still evil.

The internet threatens their power base and they value their power more than they value any principle

If the leopards don't come for their faces from the right, those they betrayed on the left will.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago

They are full of baloney.

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[-] capt_wolf@lemmy.world 100 points 1 year ago

Doesn't this fall under first ammendment rights at that point? You can't block discussion and sharing of information online without violating the right to free speech.

Not that these fascists care...

[-] SlikPikker@lemmy.ca 40 points 1 year ago

There are no rights unless they are backed by the threat of violent revolution.

Who's gonna save you? The Supreme Court?

[-] uriel238 13 points 1 year ago

The Supreme Court is supposed to recognize the dangers of carving out exceptions to civil rights. They stopped a while ago, and started cutting into those rights severely after the PATRIOT act. The dominance of Federalist Society shills on the bench only facilitated this process more.

But that's come at a cost. Dobbs demonstrated to the public the US Supreme Court is interested in agendas outside public interest (specifically those of the Federalist Society and Heritage Foundation). It's now clearer than ever the court system is not going to protect our rights. That includes our lives and persons from law-enforcement brutality and overreach. Your fourth- and fifth-amendment protections have been gutted to insignificance. And a lot of us know that, that our framers traded constitutional monarchy for unchecked plutocracy with extra steps.

So while we fear the police and the courts, we don't trust them. Crime no longer is synonymous with wrongdoing. Conviction no longer means guilt so much as officers torturing a confession out of someone and judges filling jury boxes with bigoted imbiciles.

Those who want actual democracy know our establishment system doesn't give them any power, so we're going to obey censorship laws the way we obey speed limits.

But this mean the public won't be going to law enforcement when it comes to more nefarous criminals. Where not going to report terrorists and mobsters or even CSAM traffickers when drawing attention to ourselves could get our house raided and our kids killed, which is what we face any time we see police (unless we're affluent and in an upper-class neighborhood.)

The rest of us have more in common with the local rec-drug supplier than we do a police officer. And the dealer won't kill our dog.

[-] Zaphod@discuss.tchncs.de 92 points 1 year ago

Censor something from the internet? good luck lol

[-] CosmicTurtle@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago

"The Internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it."

[-] spittingimage@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago

That was before the internet was five big websites showing content scraped from the other four.

[-] Siegfried@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I would argue most of internet is already being censored... probably for good reasons.

[-] themurphy@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

"Good reasons" for the people in power.

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[-] treadful@lemmy.zip 36 points 1 year ago

Now imagine if they used the law to force Google not to provide any results in a search for abortion. While it may not remove content from the Internet, it effectively removes access to it.

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[-] BluJay320 13 points 1 year ago
[-] figaro@lemdro.id 13 points 1 year ago

A 16 year old girl who wants to know what to do after getting pregnant does not

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[-] chloyster 83 points 1 year ago

Genuinely baffled that Elizabeth Warren is cosponsoring this. She's even said she regrets sesta fosta. Lawmakers simply don't do their due diligence when throwing their support behind a bill, and its disgusting and disheartening.

[-] Fraylor@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

It's pretty obvious that Elizabeth Warren is not, and likely never was any kind of hope for non-conservatives.

[-] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 56 points 1 year ago

This is violently anti-intellectual freedom.

Factual information doesn’t "harm children." If your kid isn’t ready to learn about the world, it’s your job to do some parenting.

The fact that these AGs won’t be using a bill like this to remove right wing propaganda from the internet tells you this is just a censorship tool, at best.

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[-] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 55 points 1 year ago

LGBTQ rights activists were complaining about this already, and people didn't listen. Using a more highly motivating issue like abortion is sadly necessary to get people to care. It could censor so many important issues, it's a travesty it's gotten this far.

[-] FrostKing@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago

Slowly and slowly, it feels like parents are having less and less responsibility—and therefore control—over their children's lives. Information is not a problem—if there's something the parent doesn't want the kid to see it up to them to enforce that, not the government.

[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Its cause a lot of parents don't want responsibility.

They want teachers and tablets and cellphones to raise the kids, not themselves.

We should be cracking down on shitty parents, not passing censorship laws that will be grossly misused by the obvious actors.

[-] r3df0x@7.62x54r.ru 8 points 1 year ago

Parents need to be restricting their children's use of the internet. I barely "used" the internet in the sense of interacting and posting until college. That's much harder in this day now. I wasn't even all that long ago I was in high school either. The real challenge now are phones and tablets. It's a lot harder to control what your kids do online. All kinds of devices have web browsers.

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[-] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 15 points 1 year ago

I've been following KOSA. Bad bill.

Welp. Guess I’m giving my senator a call today.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago

I firmly believe abortion is a sin. However, I don't see why each party is fighting so hard for it. Just leave it up to the states.

Also this is goes to show that dystopian laws aren't political

[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

That’s between you and your god then.

The state has nothing to do with it.

[-] Strawberry 17 points 1 year ago

Leaving it up to the states will not be advocated for in the long term by either party because that either 1) puts half the country in a dangerous position of not having access to healthcare or 2) still keeps half the country sinning against the emotional support daddy

Also this is goes to show that dystopian laws aren't political

The word you're looking for is partisan. This is absolutely a political issue as it is an issue of policy. And it is partisan too; the major parties have vastly different overall views and goals on reproductive healthcare, even if there isn't 100% agreement in each party

[-] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Don't care about separation from church and state then?

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