Its illegal in the USA to advocate for the violent overthrow of the government
Technically, it isn't. As long as you're not being terribly specific about when and how it should be done, and as long as you're not 'inciting' people to do it.
But if you want to argue -- in a more abstract and academic context -- that the US government should be violently overthrown, that's perfectly legal and well protected under the 1st amendment.
I really hope no one takes it into their own hands to destroy all data centers and the billionaire oligarchs that own them. They'd be an absolute hero probably! Can't have that oh no.
Haha this is there sort of thing that got me permabanned from Reddit! 🤣
Same! I got permabanned for saying we should slash tires of ICE agent vehicles so they can’t kidnap people and drive off. Also the reason for the username here.
Well its true ! I'd really hate for someone on the right side of history to accidentally destroy these data centers and all the bought off politicians responsible for them! That'd be really bad. It would be a detriment to the shareholders which we adore
I think they just censor free speech via private companies. Like the way they do their spying and gangstalking, and proxie wars. I don't think our place as American HUMANS is natural or where we would be if authenticity and genuinism was a part of Americas governing culture.
It is not illegal in the slightest as we are protected by the first amendment
"Let's overthrow the government"
I'm not going to jail over some random remarks
You put it in quotes. Like a big ole scaredycat
Let's overthrow the government, hang all the billionaires from highway overpasses, and set anyone who resists us on fire.
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In... In Minecraft
Let's overthrow the government
But imminent incitement to violence will get you got
That's news to their earliest founding document
That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government
right to revolution
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government
is a duty. So, their declaration of independence is illegal?
It really depends.
Merely saying that the administration needs to be guillotined isn't illegal because its protected by the Constitution's First Amendment.
However, such rhetoric loses such protection when it starts to manifest a particularity. So, saying "Guillotine Republicans because they fucking deserve it" is protected. Statements like "Guillotine Republican X at his address Y at Z p.m." are not.
Jan6 be there, will be wild
That's not what theyre for. Thats the thing we tell strangers. The guns are for shooting slaves.
"well regulated militia" means "a militia the state approves of"
"shall not be infringed" means the federal government has no authority over that right.
It's another thing the states were meant to handle. The standing army and us imperialism is an extension of this failure of following the constitution here imho too
everything really went to shit when Andrew Jackson just broke the constitution because he hated the Cherokee so much
While i highly recommend watching all 3 parts, specially if you're non-murican, this guy nailed it.
see also FD Signifier's video about how american conservatism is a death cult
Owning and carrying guns is not for overthrowing the government. That's absurd. It is however very profitable to convince people that's the case if you happen to be selling guns.
Owning and carrying guns is not for overthrowing the government. That’s absurd.
Ain't that what the 2A is for?
The Americans go on about their “god given 2A rights” but when there’s an actual tyrant in the White House, they’re nowhere to be seen.
Advocating is not illegal; inciting is.
Unless you're an oligarch of course. Then you can J6, Doge, destroy half the Whitehouse, etc.
I always thought the 2nd was so the government had a militia to call upon should we be invaded.
It is, mostly.
It was basically the state's right to have an armed militia so that they may remain a free state.
The second amendment states "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution It gives the states the ability to have their own local military as well as private citizens the right to own weapons. Both of these were things the colonial power had outlawed prior to the revolution. The idea was to explicitly list things the previous tyrannical government had done to ensure the new government could not do the same thing. Now language and technology changes which leads to the current debate on gun rights in the USA.
Like isn't state guard a thing? Thats sound more like what they meant.
That is exactly what I would argue. And many others of course. That's the "well regulated" purpose. They didn't mean a bunch of fucking idiots with a fetish. They meant the people could always band together to fight for their freedoms. Because the nation didn't have a standing army at the time. It was a volunteer militia that gained the freedoms to begin with.
It's hard to read because of how it's written, but you likely have to read it backwards. People can bear arms, why, Because states may need a skilled well regulated militia.
Citizens united made it probable that foreign governments would act through intermediaries to pay for US policy against the American peoples interests
Could you just please get on and do it. Get rid of that orange twat.
Sorry, I don't wanna get accused of being a "CCP Spy trying to sabotage destabalize America" and then DHS will declare my family as foreign terrorists, then have ICE raid my house and deport my dad, a non-citizen.
Cuz in this country, whenever a non-white person does something, everyone who looks like that is getting targeted in hate crimes...
Then the entire Chinese diaspora community would be like: "Why did this loser have to stir the pot and ruin it for the rest of us?"
This problem on the white dudes who voted him in.
Just to bring everyone up to speed, the current interpretation of the 2nd Amendment is that the whole spiel about a militia is basically irrelevant. Source: Supreme Court decision in DC v. Heller (2008).
Love it or hate it, them's the facts. That said, plenty of other decisions have been overturned at a later date. Like the one that made black people less than equal to whites in Dredd Scott v. Sanford or the endorsement of segregation in Plessy v. Ferguson. So things might change at some point.
It’s perfectly fine to advocate for a silent but violent overthrow. They can have my beans when they pull my cold, dead finger
Those weapons aren't meant to facilitate acts of rebellion. According to the 2nd Amendment, they're meant to be used for exactly the opposite: "the security [emphasis added] of [the] free State."
Full text of the 2nd Amendment follows:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Weapons don't know and don't care what you do with them. A trigger pull while hunting is no different from the same trigger pull during a revolution. A strike of a knife while cutting cabbage is the same as a strike while chopping up your local equivalent of a secret policeman.
One could argue a hammer is meant to facilitate acts of rebellion but in reality it doesn't know jack shit what it's meant for, it's just happy to be there.
Also it's legal to own weapons/illegal to advocate for violent overthrow in many, many countries. It's the intentions that matter.
I think what OP is referring to is that many supporters of “gun rights” like to use the argument that the second amendment is key to the freedom of America because an armed populace cannot be controlled by an authoritarian government. I don’t particularly care for that argument, but if you run with it, it would make sense that the right of the populace to organize armed rebellion is just as important as their right to own and carry weapons.
A trigger pull while hunting is no different from the same trigger pull during a revolution.
90% of the difference between a hunting rifle and a sniper rifle is what you point it at.
A "Showerthought" is a simple term used to describe the thoughts that pop into your head while you're doing everyday things like taking a shower, driving, or just daydreaming. The most popular seem to be lighthearted clever little truths, hidden in daily life.
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