Back in my day console prices went down with time...
Back then we didn't have another bubble inflating prices every other year. :/
Same with RAM, HDD space, GPUs, Phones... Shit the whole tech industry really sucks today.
I know everyone expected prices to go up but $650 for a regular PS5? OOOFFFFF.
But it's a whole console for the same price as 64GB memory, what a deal!
Remember when consoles would get cheaper not more expensive over time!? This thing is five years old at this point.
The PS2 launched at £299. Got reduced to £199 the week the Xbox came out (and stuck the nails in the coffin just as it was being born) and finished somewhere around £79.
If only there was a way to know you were in the good old days before you left them.
these are atypical times.
God, these companies are all so evil and shitty in their own special way.
PS5 has 16 gigs of GDDR6. I have no idea how it compares to DDR5 price-wise when bought in bulk, but 16 gigs of DDR5 has gone up by like 150 dollars over the last 9 months or so.
I mean honestly I don't think it's the companies choice to raise the prices on this. When you look at the cost of the materials to make it and the fact that all the other companies have raised their costs unfortunately I think this is a massive side effect to that. I mean I'm still not going to buy it I didn't want to buy it in the first place because it was already incredibly expensive and I'm definitely not buying it. I've been waiting for the price to drop on it and I've been seeing them sitting in Walmart unsold as they are with the current prices.
Why do people buy a console instead of a PC? I just can't understand, seriously.
There are fewer and fewer reasons as time goes on, but the big one is that it's usually a lower up-front cost (in a lot of cases, still is) and just works without any fuss. We might find the fuss on PC to be pretty minimal, but on console, it approaches 0. PCs have gotten easier to work with, people have become more literate in how to use them, and the long-term savings on PC with a significantly sized library have become more apparent, but there will always still be a market for something like a console, even if that means they abandon some of their defining traits in order to survive the future.
Yup. I wanted to play FF VII Rebirth, but apparently SE can't be assed to optimize their flagship game for PC, so I stuck with the PS5 version because it just works. I don't want to deal with stuttering and downloading weird drivers to get it to maybe not stutter. I don't care about mods and ultimate graphics. I just want to play the game.
I mean, when it comes to console exclusives, some can't be beat. Nintendo and Sony have proven that console exclusives still drive sales.
Mat Piscatella of Circana makes a good argument that they haven't proven that. A lot of Xbox titles became all-time PS5 best-sellers immediately after getting ported. People who wanted to play those games could have bought an Xbox at any point to play them before the multiplatform strategy was announced, but they didn't. He would argue that people have already settled into their platform of choice and just wait for the games they want to come there. Something like a third of all console players (at least Xbox/PS) are only playing multiplatform live service games on those consoles, not any of the marquis exclusives.
And to be honest, that makes sense. In the grand scheme of things, there aren't even that many exclusives anymore, compared to the deluge that there might have been in the 5th/6th gens.
This is a good point, but leaves Nintendo out of the consideration
And I don't have data for this, because I'm not an analyst, and Piscatella shares what he shares, so all I've got are anecdotal observations.
- Some Nintendo properties have extremely strong moats, as Warren Buffet might call them. Pokemon, Mario, and Zelda especially. Even if a new property like Splatoon does well, it doesn't mean it's a system seller the way old exclusives used to be. The lower bound for this moat is clearly what the Wii U did in sales.
- Switch 1 was very popular with children, as the machine is cheaper and more durable than handheld PC equivalents. It was very easy to end up with multiple Switch 1s per household. The industry outside of mobile and Nintendo has done, from what I can tell, a horrendous job of catering to children compared to how it used to.
Speaking for myself, even if I wasn't pissed off at how Nintendo operates as a company and decided not to be a customer of theirs anymore, they're still running into the same problems that caused me to lose interest in PlayStation. They can't put out enough exclusives to justify a $500 machine to play them, since I'm going to be playing everything else, at better settings, for the same or lower price, on PC.
Also I feel like Nintendo is losing its stranglehold on really good games in their own niche of wimsical platformers that are accessible and fun, but still provide some challenge if you seek it out.
See Astrobot. Hoping for more games in this same vein because its a winner.
I find it hard to argue with that as I also don’t have data one way or another.
I’ve personally decided that I’m not going to be purchasing any games on console that are available for PC. I was always a console gamer, from the (really dating myself here) Mattel Electronics IntelliVision to the PS5. But more and more they don’t feel worth it to me, and I’ve absolutely loved gaming on my Steam Deck.
Of course, Nintendo is almost certainly never going to bring their games to PC. I am a sucker for Zelda or Metroid, so I usually have a Nintendo console of some sort.
what console exclusives for the PS5? it has 7. that's it. only 7 that you can ONLY play on the PS5. (used to be 8 but Death Stranding 2 just came out on PC). and of those 7 maybe ONE of which is a console seller, maybe, and that's Astro Bot and while it's a good game I say that as a massive stretch that it's worth a $650 point of entry.
the ps5 doesn't have any exclusives that drive sales. none.
It's a bit cheaper than pcs with similar performance, I believe. Some people have enough for a console, but not a decent pc. I've never had to buy a pc, so I'm not certain, but I think I've heard that before.
The cost of building a gaming PC has also gone up dramatically.
A whole ps5 is about the current price of just a decent "value" video card. Toss in your ram and storage and you're looking at three times the price.
Simple, I can't play Kirby Air Riders or Splatoon 3 on PC. And while I still prefer the form factor of Nintendo's old smaller dedicated handhelds, I think the Switch (2) is still at least a little bit better at being a handheld than the much bulkier Steam Deck.
(Don't say emulation, because even then I still can't play online on official servers.)
The "bulk" of that Steam Deck compared to Switch 2 is what I'd call ergonomics. I was actually shocked that Nintendo didn't reevaluate their joycon design more, because the Switch sucks to hold for long periods of time, and alternate joycons are one of the most prominent third party peripherals.
Can't speak for other people, but as a patient gamer it's a combination of cost and longevity - I can get about 15 years out of a console.
I only upgraded from an original xbox to an xbox 360 because I found it in a dumpster (I did have to fix it and buy a controller, so it wasn't ideal). My wife's PS4 is now 11 years old and still works.
It’s more cost efficient, and less of a headache to deal with anomalous problems like bugs and driver issues that can be as specific to your unique combination of PC hardware.
I recently bought RE Requiem and updated my graphics card drivers for it. They introduced a bug that would stop 2/3 of my GPUs fans from spinning at random. People who bought that game and played it on their PS5 didn’t have that problem.
I guess I'll just have to buy even fewer consoles than I already am.
Makes it even worse that Sony keeps exclusives to their console. And reportedly reduced or stopped single player first party games on PC.
It is memory prices? Or is it just the “we don’t have any real competition” increase?
Memory. Xbox raised their prices already.
That could indicate a duopoly if the Xbox brand wasn't struggling so hard.
That’s some big bullshit there. The parts needed for the PS5 are already produced or planned/bought to fixed prices. So Sony just found an excuse to earn more money and hoping for customers to not realize it.
I doubt they have a contract for endless memory at X price forever. Memory and storage prices have gone up so much that the memory and storage of a PS5 has for sure risen 200+ dollars in price over the last 9 or 10 months if you buy them as separate modules as a consumer.
Cost of 2 TB SSD and 16 gigs of RAM (what you get in a PS5 Pro at 900 EUR once the price hike kicks in) if bought as a consumer, is about 450 EUR in my country. That's without anything else (motherboard, CPU, GPU, power supply) that the device contains. Of course it has shared memory so perhaps you should be looking at 8 gigs of memory (still 100+ EUR) and an 8 gig graphics card of roughly equivalent TFLOPS since it's kinda hard to put a value tag on the other features its' GPU has - The RX 7600 starts at 300 EUR. So that'd be like 250+100+300 for storage + RAM + GPU. Still without a CPU, power supply, or any other electronics. Shit, the cheapest wi-fi 7 module I can find on sale in my country alone is 80 euros.
Worst part is, RAM and storage prices aren't really even showing any signs of slowing down.
All things considered, I reckon they still have pretty low margins for their hardware compared to PC parts manufacturers. Which they can afford because they make it back on the game store margins.
RAM, HDDs, etc are magically not going up in price for them? You think they got some sort of deal that the much bigger manufacturers couldn't negotiate somehow?
PS6 is going to be so boutique when that comes out. PS5's cross gen period with the PS6 is going to be even longer than the PS4s with the PS5
It's still ongoing. Might as well ask how long the cross gen period between PS4 and PS6 will last at this point.
Whats that little kickstand thing in the thumbnail?
It's the stand that comes with the console. I didn't notice them at first and was wondering why my ps5 was a bit unstable. Just a clear little clip thing that hides underneath.
if y'all are still buying consoles, you're a big chud. stop giving billion dollar companies your pennies. emulators are free and everywhere! fuck off nintendo too!!
I'm a PC gamer as much as the next person, but there's no real PS5 emulator and even the PS4 ones aren't very good yet, and that came out in 2013.
If you actually want to play PS exclusives past PS3 titles, you'll need to buy a PS.
Gaming kids have it rough. 😞
My son is pretty lucky as I’m the only dad around with a Steam Deck and a Playstation 5.
He didn’t even have to ask for these as I’m the one gaming the most.
I guess none of his friends is gonna get a Steam Deck or a Playstation 5 soon with the prices or the availability of these things..
The only good part is that maybe people are gonna learn to enjoy what they already have and devs could learn to keep developing games for old hardware.
lol no thanks, next
They made a fifth one?
I was already not going to buy a Ps5, but now I'm $100 more not buying one instead!
Again?
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