Windows five minutes after installing a web browser: "Welcome to Edge! We've imported your tabs from Chrome for you."
I don't get it. What's this supposed to tell me?
it's a parody of the memes where it's typing commands for 20 minutes to install a web browser
I mean you can still get that experience on Ubuntu if you want to install Firefox as an apt package instead of being forced to install it as a snap package.
Both are official and work well so there isn't really a need for it. But some people just want to make their experience harder because snap bad.
I understand that. I actually used the snap one for a long time but then was having issues with it crashing a lot and switched over. I doubt most have the same issues I was having.
I was just pointing out that if you want to make it difficult for yourself, you can haha.
No, the Firefox snap genuinely is awful. It takes forever to load and runs like ass.
"forced to do what now" - mint users
Too many screens and clicks. Where's my single-click browser install? Linux will never become mainstream on the desktop.
no, it should just know what browser I want. it should read my minds or whatever. do you expect me to take those 5 whole clicks?
Agreed. I stand corrected. Fuck those clicks.
I want just rawr
That's mostly the browser, isn't it? I'm old and cant follow this but it looks like the install is one click and then its theme choosing and other first-startup stuff in the browser?
Windows users setting up a local account
There’s just the one
flatpak install flathub net.waterfox.waterfoxWhy would anyone install a proprietary freeware browser?
It's a very usable browser and vivaldi explicitly do no AI, unlike firefox. I get that firefox is the only serious cross platform competitor to chromium, but mozilla really does consistently shoot itself in the foot. it's like they're masochistic.
edit: vivaldi also actually seems to have a vision and design goals, which firefox sort of lacks.
How did moz shoot themselves in the foot? I am genuinely asking as I missed any controversy.
because it's what the normals like
sudo pacman -Syu librewolf-bin
error: target not found: librewolf-bin
It's in the AUR.
And this is why using a GUI is superior for most people.
I upvoted, but not always. With the CLI you know exactly if you installing from core/extra (which you don't usually need to check PKGBUILD) and executing as privileged, compared to AUR which you either install manually or use an AUR package manager like YAY which strongly discourages running as priviliged, and offers checking PKGBUILD on both install and update.
For example, Pamac doesn't show this - or at least didn't back when I used it on Manjaro.
Counterpoint: As an above average Windows user (I know enough to have built computers, so at least a little more than the normal Windows/Mac user), after reading your comment I raised both my arms over my head to make sure I wasn't having a stroke.
Obviously, I've never used Linux and so don't know the basics of the internals (and I was never one to mess with the CMD line), but I'd be willing to bet money that 75% of Windows users would look at you like you're possessed if you said that to them, and that's why a GUI is so important for the average user. Easily 50% of users don't even know that "run as administrator" exists or what it does.
Building a pc has no bearing on what a programm does or how some software works. With win11 as a tech savy person i alwas struggle to find where to do things that i knew in the old gui. Windows isnt better because of gui. Its just that people always used it and know where stuff is. The next generation of kids that grew up on phones will not know how to do things in windows. Learning a console command is not more difficult than knowing a gui. The only hard part is knowing what program is used for what purpose, if you have no idea that pacman is your package manager you cant write pacman -h for the help text but the same is true with guis, if you dont know the icon for your purpose you cant run it. The biggest problem i see with people is that they just dont want to read something. I have people who were developing apps for/on windows before and if they get a error in the linux console they dont read it at all and just put sudo in front of it or ask chatgpt.
flatpak install flathub io.gitlab.librewolf-community
apt get install lynx -y
brew install --cask waterfox
winget install firefox
flatpak install flathub io.gitlab.librewolf-community
Use gnome-software and install flatpaks or official apt packages instead of the snap store
No thanks, I like snaps
I don't like them, but I'd like to remind my fellow Canonical-Haters to not become User-Haters instead. It's okay to have preferences, but let's not antagonise each other.
That said, flatpak > compiling from source > writing from scratch > writing with binary editor > not having it at all > snap
That is pretty funny. However the "not having it at all" mfs suddenly reconsider when it's the only way to install an app. I for example maintain the 4K Video Downloader Plus snap and the only other installation method is a .deb. In the stats I can see many other distros than just Ubuntu. I think it's the ideal packaging format for apps that should stay up to date at all time, even if the system isn't.
I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other, but I love your snap hate 🤣
Honestly, most of my hate is with the sn-apt switchup where using apt would install snaps instead of the debs I naively assumed I'd get. I don't wanna argue about the format or the utility of a single centrally maintained package store. I also still think Ubuntu is a good entry point for Linux newbies.
Genuine question; what is it about them that appeals to you? I used them for a while as a few things on kubuntu defaulted to snap but after a while I kept running into different issues that don't occur on the flathub/deb counterparts so I've cut them out for the most part.
I like Ubuntu and related technologies around it so when I wanted to learn Linux packaging I went for snap. It turned out to be not as hard as I thought, and from my experience they run just fine. And are capable of packaging more types of apps than flatpak.
You make it Seen complicated, which its not.
Technically, you're still downloading it, even if your package manager does it for you. And, tbh, even on Debian stable it needs some user action (including a visit to Mozilla's site) to get an actual version of Firefox and rolling upgrades installed instead of the LTS version.
My OS came with an officially packed (by Mozilla) non LTS version of Firefox that gets regular version upgrades.
Linux users don't need to install a browser though. 😏
Image isn't loading for me. I get:
Request error: error sending request for url (http://pictrs:8080/image/process.webp?src=0364be98-3ccc-4357-9b10-21eeb3f15e30.webp): operation timed out
F this
I would rather use edge to install chrome
LibreWolf is my response.
Hint: :q!
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