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On Sept. 11, Michigan representatives proposed an internet content ban bill unlike any of the others we've seen: This particularly far-reaching legislation would ban not only many types of online content, but also the ability to legally use any VPN.

The bill, called the Anticorruption of Public Morals Act and advanced by six Republican representatives, would ban a wide variety of adult content online, ranging from ASMR and adult manga to AI content and any depiction of transgender people. It also seeks to ban all use of VPNs, foreign or US-produced.

Main issue I have with this article, and a lot of articles on this topic, is it doesn't address the issue of youth access to porn. I think any semi-intelligent person knows this is a parenting issue, but unfortunately that cat's out of the bag, thanks to the right. "Proliferation of porn" is the '90s crime scare (that never really died) all over again. If a politician or industry expert is speaking against bills like this, their talking points have to include:

  • Privacy-respecting alternatives that promise parents that their precious babies won't be able to access that horrible dangerous porn! (I don't argue that porn can't be dangerous, but this is yet another disingenuous right-wing culture (holy) war)
  • Addressing that vagueness in the bill sets up the government as morality police (it's right there in the title of the bill, FFS), and NOBODY in a "free" country should ever want that.
  • Stop saying it can be bypassed with technology. The VPN ban in this bill is a reaction to talking points like that.
  • Recognize and call out that this has nothing to do with protecting children and everything to do with a religious minority imposing its will on the rest of the country (plenty of recent examples to pull from here).

Unfortunately this is becoming enough of "A Thing" that the left is going to have to, once again, be seen doing "something" about it. So they have to thread a needle of "protecting kids," while respecting the privacy of their parents who want their kids protected and want to look at porn, and protecting businesses that require secure communications.

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[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 34 minutes ago

The rule of headlines is that if it asks a question in the title, the answer is assumed to be no.

No, it won't.

[-] MadPsyentist@lemmy.nz 2 points 26 minutes ago

Betteridges law of headlines

Because if the answer was "yes" then the headline would be writen as a statement of fact. If its a question then the news agency cant be held to account if it is either yes or no because "we are only asking the question."

[-] Jumbie@lemmy.zip 1 points 12 minutes ago

It’s the GOP/Christians. It won’t work at first but they’ll come back and make it work once they get the Supreme Court to agree.

It’s happened like this multiple times. This don’t be different.

[-] plyth@feddit.org 4 points 1 hour ago

This is a test balloon. One state is needed to overcome all the technical hurdles like clearing VPNs for work. Once that is done it will be roled out everywhere.

Without ruling out VPNs, all the other internet laws don't make sense. So this step is necessary and almost inevitable.

[-] Jumbie@lemmy.zip 1 points 12 minutes ago

Yup. It’s their strategy and they’ve used it multiple times with great success.

[-] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 17 points 6 hours ago

Will it ban their Grindr access though?

[-] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 6 points 4 hours ago

Only for non-closeted gays. But for Republicans who only do it to remind themselves of the evils of gay sex it'll be readily accessible.

[-] figjam@midwest.social 26 points 7 hours ago

All vpns including ones for work? Not a snowballs chance in hell

[-] lando55@lemmy.zip 11 points 7 hours ago

What, you got something to hide bro?!

[-] figjam@midwest.social 11 points 7 hours ago

Sure, lots of spreadsheets with sales data.

[-] lando55@lemmy.zip 6 points 7 hours ago

With a name like that I would have figured some sort of mind map or Gantt chart

[-] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 33 points 8 hours ago

Bro can we not?

I thought I got lucky to be born into a family that was able to leave China, and I could browse the internet freely in the US. What the fuck y'all? Just let me have my unlimited access to entertainment in peace mmkay?

So... fucking... cooked...

Blatent First Amendment violation.

I mean what even is gonna be the difference between fucking CCP and this BS.

(Canadaaa plssss lemmme innn? 🥺👉👈❓️
Australia? 👀)

[-] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 2 points 7 minutes ago

This is all your fault for sending those dmails :/

[-] fxleak@lemmings.world 30 points 9 hours ago

Can we get a list of the names of the representatives supporting this?

Any other identifiable information would be great as well.

Fuck this social contract.

[-] turdburglar@piefed.social 16 points 8 hours ago

how about their browsing histories?

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 33 points 10 hours ago

is it doesn’t address the issue of youth access to porn. I think any semi-intelligent person knows this is a parenting issue

There sure are a lot of stupid fucking people then, huh?

Unfortunately this is becoming enough of “A Thing” that the left is going to have to, once again, be seen doing “something”

Personally I think the left should hammer in on "The right are too lazy and incompetent to raise their kids. They want the government to do it for them. No one who's too unwilling or unable to spend time with their kids should be in government" or something like that. Just rub their noses in how stupid, lazy, and incompetent, the right is. Because they are. They are the worst people.

[-] pool_spray_098@lemmy.world 3 points 28 minutes ago

Amen to your point about rubbing their faces in it.

The absolutely stunning level of hypocrisy from the Republicans who claim to be the party of small government has become such a laughing stock. Or at least I would be laughing if they didn't have control of everything right now. Fuck.

[-] Revan343@lemmy.ca 11 points 9 hours ago

There sure are a lot of stupid fucking people then, huh?

I mean... yeah? Seen any election results in the past few years?

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 35 minutes ago

The fact that Republicans get any votes past the year 2012 is enough to convince me that about 1/3 of Americans are dumber than a box of rocks.

[-] GaryGhost@lemmy.world 17 points 9 hours ago

The representatives proposing this bill must have some really embarrassing search history.

[-] lemmylump@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

This fuck needs to be under a microscope.

[-] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 18 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

It's never been about the children, either. It's been about reigning control and power which is why a lot of Liberals get on board with these bills too. One of the reasons i felt so disgusted to vote for Hillary Clinton was because of her stance on censorship in the 90's. Today it's succeeding in porn. Tomorrow it will start succeeding in literature.

[-] fxleak@lemmings.world 10 points 9 hours ago

The Clintons are actual shitstains who are part of this two-pronged approach to siphon as much power away from the people and into the hands of the ruling class as possible.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 50 points 15 hours ago

Um, how the actual fuck are businesses supposed to operate where some regressive dumbfucks have outlawed VPNs?

Also, never underestimate the ability of a set of dumbasses doing some damage to this country - for one thing, see the asshole in the WH right now doing all kinds of self-owns to this country.

Secondly, I'm old enough to remember things like the V-chip and the Clipper chip and the government going after Phil Zimmerman. All of these things were rather stupid. And that was during the Clinton administration, which, sure, they were right-leaning as well....were not fucking crazy right wing.

[-] Airowird 2 points 27 minutes ago

Um, how the actual fuck are businesses supposed to operate where some regressive dumbfucks have outlawed VPNs?

Hardwire connections in the office. Finally they'll be able to undo all the good things that came from covid!! I mean, who doesn't thrive in an environment where you'll be constantly monitored so they can sell your work behavior for privately targetted ads? (/s, but only partial)

Oh, businesses will get an exception for their company owned hardware, I'm sure. Suck it, pleb!

[-] HurlingDurling@lemmy.world 16 points 14 hours ago

VPNs (virtual private networks) are suites of software often used as workarounds to avoid similar bans that have passed in states like Texas, Louisiana and Mississippi, as well as the UK. They can be purchased with subscriptions or downloaded, and are built into some browsers and Wi-Fi routers as well.

I don't think the author understands what a VPN is, or is trying to legitimize the proposed ban... Or maybe both.

[-] d00phy@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago

That jumped out at me as well. Like VPNs don’t have a legitimate use outside of shielding your porn traffic! I would argue they’re more often used for secure commercial traffic than for evading porn bans. I’m sure those numbers are rapidly changing, though!

[-] cley_faye@lemmy.world 7 points 10 hours ago

From that excerpt, it sounds like they understand what it is… for the general public. Take anyone on the street, if they know what a VPN is, they're likely to just know some brand name that sells "VPN" to end users. The same way to some people, github is git.

The idea that such ban/restriction would affect basically every business and a lot of individual out there doesn't matter if you just open with "VPN are used for illegal things" and just, stop there.

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