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[-] Aggravationstation@feddit.uk 7 points 1 hour ago

Paywalled article. Pretty fucking apt.

[-] Newsteinleo@midwest.social 79 points 7 hours ago
[-] Geodad@lemmy.world 22 points 5 hours ago
[-] WindyRebel@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

PC Load Letter?! The fuck does that mean?

[-] Dogiedog64@lemmy.world 12 points 5 hours ago

Cheaper to buy a new one than more ink. Fucking extortionate.

[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 12 points 5 hours ago

For every second you have your headphones in on the train, you're not talking to anybody and you're not taking in the world. For every one of those seconds, how much of your life do you let pass by?" one man asked.

Lmao what the fuck

[-] Psythik@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

Well I consider talking to strangers in public a waste of time, so what now?

[-] ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 4 hours ago

Its a call to be present.

There is nothing inherently wrong with wearing headphones on the train, but ask yourself why you're doing it.

If you put on Headphones to keep people from talking to you, you're making the choice to opt out of the human experience.?Make that choice every day on a 45 minute commute and after only a week 7.5 hours where you've opted out of chance encounter, conversation, possibly meeting a new friend or partner. It might not be a bad idea to make the choice to NOT disconnect, actively choosing to engage in the world around us makes a huge difference in how we percieve it, and how it percieves us.

An experiment I'd suggest, if you're the type to default to using your phone as an idle activity:

Next time you're idle and get the urge to pull out your phone, instead look around you and find the most interesting thing you can see. Why is it interesting? Is there anything abnormal about it? Is it's place significant? Take that and note it in your mind, have a conversation with a coworker about it later. Then take note, how did this pointless conversation make me feel?

Being present by choice, especially if done often, will create chances to engage with the World, and its inhabitants.

The other day someone told me life was boring. Put the phone down, make more than the 2 meter cone you can see from around your phone visible, and you'll find the World has a lot of engagement to offer.

[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 5 points 3 hours ago

I don't any randos talking to me on the train. Commute is worse enough without people trying to "connect with me" during it.

[-] jve@lemmy.world 7 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Lots of research shows that random social interactions are far more enjoyable than people expect them to be.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-social-explorer/202502/if-socializing-is-so-good-for-us-why-do-we-avoid-it

[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 hour ago

I expect it not to happen and hope it stays that way since. Please jusr don't bother me while I'm on the train

Noted. If we ever see you we’ll ignore you.

Just post your name and photo so we know what you look like. Thanks.

[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 1 points 58 minutes ago

I'm the person on public transit

[-] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 42 minutes ago

But I don’t mind people talking to me so how do others differentiate us?

[-] DoPeopleLookHere@sh.itjust.works 2 points 19 minutes ago

Headphones is a good start.......

[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 1 points 26 minutes ago

It's easy. One is reading a book or otherwise minding their own business and the other is lunatic trying to make eye contact with everyone

[-] aceshigh@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

Or getting hit on. I’m just trying to go home, I have no desire to chat with you. I’m busy go away.

[-] ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 hours ago

That's kinda what I'm saying though. Those aren't randos! They're other people taking the same commute as you, every day. Make a connection with one and you might start to notice them more. Maybe you have a similar hobby or interest.

Give people a chance to enter your life and they often become more than randos on the train. Maybe you find a commute partner, someone to chat with or bitch to about Jane in Accounting.

I'm not gonna try to convince you, Clearly you saw my point and chose to reject it, that's your choice. I'd urge you to give different thinking a chance though.

[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 hours ago

They're random people I most likely have never seen before and probably won't ever see again. I live in the city, not a small town where everyone knows each other. The idea of trying to connect with the poor sobs who ended up in the same train as me sounds both crazy and draining as fuck. Not the least bit because where I live, most people cherish that moment to themselves and you'd be fucking that up and bothering them.

If I was commuting with the same four people every day I'd be more likely to talk to them but not in a full ass train with random people.

They're random people I most likely have never seen before and probably won't ever see again.

And why do you think that? Have you paid attention to the people around you? If you and another person get to work at the same time, and live in the same area then odds are you will encounter them again. There might be a million people in your city. But how many of them have the exact same commute as you?

Also so what if you never see them again on the train? What if you end up really liking them, get their number, and stay in contact?

[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

And why do you think that

Because I have eyes and easily recognize faces. And a shitload of people have the same work schedule and commute in and out the same time. And it's a big ass train.

[-] optissima@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 hours ago

For every one of those seconds, how much of your life do you let pass by?" one man asked.

Well, one second I'd estimate

[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 4 points 3 hours ago

Every 60 seconds, a minute passes in Africa.

[-] jve@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago
[-] Spiffyman@slrpnk.net 2 points 4 hours ago

That was my first thought as well, but I think he means things, not time. You miss this thing and that as you stare at your phone. So in that second of mindless scrolling, you missed things around you that might have added something to your day, to your life. So 'how much of your life do you let pass by' is not asking how many seconds of life did you let pass by (though that is the first thought upon reading), but 'how many things that could have affected your life- for the better or worse- do you let pass you by?'

[-] optissima@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago

Yeah I totally get what he's saying here and do agree with the message overall, just thought that was a funny way to put it.

[-] null@piefed.nullspace.lol 1 points 3 hours ago

Probably should have said "looking at your phone" instead of "have your headphones on".

[-] Integrate777@discuss.online 50 points 8 hours ago

I'm a fan of taking back control over my tech, not giving up control. They're treating it like there's no other option.

[-] bhamlin@lemmy.world 11 points 5 hours ago

If you listen between the lines we are given by tech companies, right now there is no other option.

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 8 hours ago

Its hard to believe that someone would be aware enough to go to something like this, while not being aware of the existence of alternative solutions that give you more control. But these people do definitely exist. At the same time i think that this group of people is probably quite diverse with some being complete hardliners that want zero tech while others are just against the kind that is extremely damaging to society and the world.

[-] BakerBagel@midwest.social 7 points 7 hours ago

The author works for business inside. He's 100 % on board with all the heinous shit tech companies are doing

[-] chunes@lemmy.world 26 points 7 hours ago

Throwing the baby out with the bathwater because they think all tech is is walled gardens on toy hardware. Sad. We failed the next generation.

[-] sleen@lemmy.zip 21 points 5 hours ago

Late stage capitalism is what this is.

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[-] doeinthewoods@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 hours ago

At least it's a practice what you preach example. I know far more people that love to preach and the attention it gives them and then mostly does the exact opposite. Sometimes so much to the opposite that they're more predatory than things/people they preach against

[-] SnotFlickerman 138 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Appstinence is just one of a seemingly growing constellation of groups, mostly led by young people, advocating for reduced reliance on technology, either for one's own mental health or as a protest against powerful tech companies that have an ever-growing hold on all aspects of our lives.

I'ma be real with you. Choosing to dump technology entirely instead of learning to use it responsibly and finding things that aren't dominated by corporations looking to control us seems really short sighted and leaning into false promise of things being different at best.

It's quite like the whole Climate Change movement and how we won't do anything to constrain giant corporations or billionaires in how they impact the planet, but instead individuals (often poverty stricken) are expected to shoulder the burden through recycling programs that don't even end up recycling what those individuals take the time to sort.

It's also eerily similar to the anti-AI movement which focuses on all the most negative aspects of AI generation, ignores the benefits of locally-hosted models as opposed to giant models owned by corporations run out of energy and water hogging data-centers, and similarly ignores that the AI that consistently is a failure is general purpose AI whereas highly specialized AI is often very successful. I am by no means an AI lover, I don't use it at all in my every day life, but I think it's foolhardy to write it off entirely instead of making regulations that prevent this kind of environment-destroying investment in endless data centers for profit. Much like the Climate Change issue, it's the smallest and weakest among us shouldering the burden, making our own lives harder, while nothing materially changes and AI advances anyway.

These modern Luddites are not wrong that some aspects of the modern era are terrible, but some of the things they decry are the same things that are so beautiful about it. When I was a young person, finding LGBTQ+ or atheist groups was basically impossible without the internet. As someone who grew up in a relatively rural area, it was hard to make friends and connections even in a mostly unconnected world (I am in my forties, for reference, so I grew up in the era of CompuServe and AOL being the only "online" options). Having the internet suddenly opened me up to finding people who I could actually be open and vulnerable with, something I couldn't say was true about most of my IRL peers at the time. Returning to that, especially at a period where Christofascism is taking hold, is asking to let the Christofascists dictate how society looks and functions and removing those footholds of access for people who are queer or atheist or disabled. It returns us to an unconnected world where people suffer in silence for decades not knowing that there is nothing wrong with who they are deep down as they are regularly shamed and abused by their IRL peers for not appearing or acting the "right" way.

Especially with the likelihood of modern communication methods being clamped down upon, embracing the technology and finding ways to use it to benefit humankind instead of deciding it's all evil is the way forward. The world was, for example, a better place with Fred Rogers in it, who leveraged the technology of television, often villainized as terrible for children, as a way to connect with children and educate them in a healthy, humane, and loving way. I see shades of that type of villainization in this movement, equating screen time with being unhealthy.

All tools are able to be misused. All tools are able to be used positively. It's all in who is using those tools and what their aims and intents are. A hammer can be used to both create and destroy in positive ways in the trade of construction. A hammer can also be wielded as a violent, dangerous weapon. It all depends on whose hands it is in, and what they aim to use that tool for.

Dropping technology instead of standing for using it in positive ways will always be tantamount to throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

[-] ronigami@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

Nah, ludditism is the way. Sincerely, a tech bro.

[-] OctopusNemeses@lemmy.world 22 points 10 hours ago

The newer generation of tech users know only of a narrow subset of technology from big tech / ad tech. They know little of anything at all the grassroots era of technology.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 44 points 12 hours ago

Yeah I think the focus should be on technological sovereignty, not abstinence. We need control over our data, control over our software, control over our devices, control over our hardware, and through these things we can gain control over our lives while still accessing these extremely useful tools. We need our own search engines, our own operating systems, our own applications, our own email, our own social media, our own video hosting, etc etc. We can never go back, the only way out is through.

This is extremely hard and expensive, though. It'll require mass organization of millions of people, we can't do it as individuals.

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[-] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 45 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

I might be one of the few in this thread who really empathizes with the perspectives of the protesters here

I'm not in a position to cut tech out of my life, but for people who are and dont need or depend on it for something important, it may do a lot of harm for little benefit.

But whether there's important benefit will vary from person to person. I have a very isolating sleep disorder, and the internet allows me a little bit more connection than I would get otherwise. And home automation helps shoulder some of the load of managing environmental variables that impact my sleep. And there are also technological things that bring me joy.

But not everyone is in a position where their only connection to others is through the internet (if you're queer in a small town, maybe it is, if you're queer in a big city or you're straight that probably isn't an issue)

There are ofcourse benefits to technology, some of which you can better access through FOSS software, or community projects, or self hosting. But not everyone needs those things, and even those things can have harmful downsides. I think the hyper convenience that much of tech provides is not exactly great for us. Even the fediverse platforms can be addicting, can prioritize stuff that makes you angry, etc, because they copy the underlying design of proprietary social media (even without recommendation algorithms). I struggle to manage how much time I spend engaging with these platforms. Not as much as with reddit, but I still do, and am now creating structure around engaging more in moderation.

I don't love creating e-waste though. I get that it's symbolic, I still think it's wasteful and has no meaningful upsides. It feels deeply privileged to not grasp how that could be a lifeline for poor people who need a way to connect, keep up with work, handle digital tasks like banking and telemedicine, etc, and to smash it on the ground instead of donating it to someone who couldn't afford a reliable device.

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