She deserves it. How dare she care for others like that? We don't take kindly to people caring about others around here. /s
As a foreign famous activist she probably has a "good" treatment for a detainee. Imagine what the Gazan child hostages go through in Israeli prisons (spoiler: reported electrical shock torture and sexual crimes)
Do you have any evidence to support that or are you just using conjecture? I don't have a dog in the fight, but you're literally making shit up out of thin air. Given how persistent bed bugs are I would imagine they are a significant problem in any prison in the world. Keeping bed bugs out is probably like trying to keep a cold/flu/covid out of any concentrated living facility (prison, nursing home, welfare home, or homeless shelter).
If hotels struggle to prevent bed bugs then you can be assured that prisons will too. If you're gonna peacefully protest with the knowledge that you will be detained then you should also know that you're gonna deal with jail/prison conditions which include bed bugs.
Just google it
There’s literally a fucking Wikipedia article you genocide denying troll. Here’s all the rape you can stomach!
In its June 2024 investigative report, the UN's Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory (CoI) concluded: "The frequency, prevalence and severity of sexual and gender-based crimes perpetrated against Palestinians since 7 October across the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT) indicate that specific forms of Sexual and gender-based violence (SGBV) are part of Israeli Security Forces (ISF) operating procedures."
Is wasn't making a proof statement: I wasn't saying that since she's more known others have worse treatment. I based my comment on knowledge of the worse treatment (cited in the other comments).
Also I wasn't talking about the bed bugs, but about the pulled by hair and forced to kiss flag kind of things.
"I'm unbiased, but I think you're lying for no reason at all!"
You're a silly man.
You don't believe in privilege? Do you really think the people the news don't name get the same treatment?
Can't you see that that is a very different argument? Just because Greta has bed bugs in her cell doesn't prove that other prisoners have worse conditions. The OP said:
As a foreign famous activist she probably has a “good” treatment for a detainee. Imagine what the Gazan child hostages go through in Israeli prisons (spoiler: reported electrical shock torture and sexual crimes)
So the OP has setup a binary situation where Greta is getting bed bugs while Gazan's are getting electrical shock torture and sexual crimes. I asked if the OP has any evidence to that because they created a false equivalency. Just because one prisoner has bed bugs doesn't mean everyone else is getting electro shocked and raped.
So you are asking: what are the odds of the genocidal regime known for human rights violations violating the rights of people without the protection of the public eye?
Surely they are more comfortable than Greta. That is the logical conclusion. /s
No, you're making a lot of unsubstantiated statements. Am I willing to believe that Greta is being treated differently than Gazan prisoners? Yeah, I can believe that. I could also believe that Greta is being treated similarly to how anyone without Hamas affiliations would be treated. What I don't believe is that just because Greta has bed bugs in her cell Gazans are getting raped and electro tortured. Like I said, I don't have a dog in the fight, but just because Greta is being treated like a prisoner doesn't mean she's being treated differently than other prisoners. Furthermore, having bed bugs doesn't mean shit when bed bugs are a problem in every prison. Having bed bugs doesn't mean other people are getting raped and electro shock tortured unless you have some evidence of that, which is the evidence I asked for.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn7vje365rno
This is probably the report they are talking about.
Trigger warning because there is a graphic picture and descriptions of multiple graphic situations.
Let me just say, earnestly, THANK YOU. I haven't read your link yet, but you are the first person to respond with an actual response to the given question. I'm gonna take a few minutes to read what you linked, if I have any thought's I'll post an edit.}
EDIT: This is disturbing news, but it's hardly evidence of systemic actions. I like the BBC a lot, but the testimonies given aren't surprising. I'm all for condemning the actions stated, but they are also second hand accounts. For example the account of sexual misconduct comes from only one person interviewed. I'm not unwilling to believe that some Israeli's have done something illegal, but I'm not surprised either. Rage all anyone might want but the laws of war only matter if someone is willing to enforce them and it seems like the world won't enforce them here, much to my disappointment.
So the reports very much ARE evidence of systemic abuse. It's definitely not conclusive, but the only way to get that is to infiltrate or dismantle the IDF prison system, which isn't happening any time soon.
For the five people interviewed, all five reported abuse, which is a 100% rate. It's a very small sample, but based on the limited information available, every single prisoner is abused, and 20% witness sexual violence (which suggests another, unknown amount of prisoners are the victims).
What we know to place this in context:
Palestinians are referred to as "human animals" by defence minister Yoav Gallant
Palestinians (not just Hamas, mind) are regularly dehumanised in Israeli discourse
There are plenty of other examples of reported mistreatment. Search "Israeli mistreatment of Palestinian prisoners" to educate yourself further on this issue.
I think it's fair to state as fact that Israel are mistreating their Palestinian prisoners, and all we lack are details on exactly how, how much, and how often. There are no similar reports with regards to Israeli prisoners in Israel for example, so it's fair to say also that it's only Palestinian prisoners who are treated this way. Since Palestinians have been the bogeyman for modern Israel since its founding, this is kind of the default position.
The rogue terrorist state of Israel commited piracy.
She's got balls. Straight dude here, love her.
I appreciate your message but you can say that she has guts, has courage, etc. No need to compare women to men when courage is something anyone can have.
Anyone can have balls. Some women have balls.
why did you need to announce you are a straight dude? 🤣
straight dudes do be lovin their balls.
This is Lemmy, just assuming straight white cis dude is much less likely than the old place.
I read it as saying she is a "straight up dude". Was that not the intention?
No. I love her.
I announced she had balls, then announced I love her. I do, she's tough af
So they're torturing her. Israel is torturing her.
Maybe but blah blah Israel reasons we gotta torture her. Sure you understand blah blah
Israel has no way to win in this situation. Torturing her will result in media backlash. Executing her would only make a martyr, which is even worse. Somehow, Israel didn’t choose to kick her out immediately.
The worst thing Israel could have done to discredit Greta Thunberg and damage her brand would have been to give her a nice meal, a warm bed in a nice hotel, gently push her onboard the next 1st class flight back to Stockholm the next day and release a statement telling her to go play SJW somewhere else. Instead, they're doing everything possible to confirm they're truly bad people, like dumbasses.
True.
And I think I have an explanation for that:
We do not often read how Israeli politicians talk, verbatim*. They got used responding only to their own media landscape, where apparently they can go much farther in their rhetoric (and subsequent actions) without repercussions. There's also some deep-seated misogyny specifically against women of other race/religion or however they define that for themselves. Like, they'd never do that if she was a typical NY Jew, for example.
Of course that isn't the whole picture; we must also look at the unquestioning support they've been getting from most "Western" countries which no doubt contributed to them developing this sort of impunity.
* Netanyahu often speaks English when addressing the world. It's still bad enough, but it allows him to present a different picture to the world than to his constituency.
It's kinda like all those comments on WWII that begin with "The Nazis could've won if only they..." and then describe a course of action that would require the Nazis to not be Nazis.
They realize that kicking her out just means she will be on her way back on the next boat. They are trying to intimidate her into not coming back.
I hope the Swedish government has a harsh answer for one of their citizens getting kidnapped in International Waters.
Israel has no way to win in this situation.
They could have not taken her hostage.
They could publicly execute her and governments around the world would still support them.
The Swedish government, and the EU commission is not making nearly enough noise as it should here.
Conservative Swedish PM (~~Prime~~ Pretend Minister) "Jam For Spine" Kristersson is known for both his mental laziness and fear of conflicts. He's still remembered for fleeing a room, literally running, when confronted by a journalist about his personal shady deals.
Since Greta waived her right to immediate deportation and chose to remain in detention, I'm not sure what you are expecting the Swedes to do.
That doesn't absolve them of responsibility for her welfare.
At the very least, under the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations, Swedish diplomats have the right to visit Thunberg, verify her condition, and ensure she’s being treated according to international standards. Continuing to monitor the situation like this makes sure that Thunberg is not feeling isolated and makes sure her captors do not get any (further) funny ideas.
For another, there are all sorts of pressure tactics they can use, if her welfare is danger. They could summon the Israeli ambassador to formally express concern, they can push the European Commission and the EU’s High Representative for Foreign Affairs to issue a joint statement or demand investigation into her treatment.
Swedish diplomats have the right to visit Thunberg,
Swedish diplomats did meet with her, as did a lawyer.
there are all sorts of pressure tactics they can use, if her welfare is danger.
In danger from what...bed bugs? Prison food?
The article above mentions "dehydration" and "insufficient amounts of both water and food".
In addition:
One of the deported activists who arrived at Istanbul airport on Saturday recounted shocking details of what he described as ‘brutal assaults’ on some activists during their detention, telling reporters: "They dragged little Greta (Thunberg) by her hair in front of our eyes, beat her, and forced her to kiss the Israeli flag. They did everything imaginable to her as a warning to others."
https://www.thecanary.co/global/world-news/2025/10/04/greta-thunberg-israel/
Given these kinds of reports of beatings, dragging by the hair and degrading treatment, diplomats would need to make sure to keep meeting with her and keep pressuring to get to the bottom of any mistreatment allegations.
Cool story bro. Curious how Greta didn’t mention any of those events to the embassy staff…,
Sigh...
[...] to get to the bottom of any mistreatment allegations.
Are you familiar with the concept of ...time? That things can happen to somebody after they have first been seen by the Swedish diplomats?
Plus, the dehydration stuff is already in what the Swedish diplomats report from the first time they saw her.
Not sure if you're debating in good faith anymore.
Just Crimes Against Humanity Things.
Do they purposely use the worst photos of her?
You can usually tell at a glance if an article will be critical or supportive of a certain person, based on the photo they choose to go alongside the headline.
General rule of thumb, if you want someone to look composed, use a photo with their mouth closed. If you want them to look dumb, choose a photo with their mouth open mid-speech. It’s not a universal thing, but still images of people mid-word don’t tend to be flattering.
Man, I wish my worst photo looked that good.
I was about to say. For someone detained in a prison abroad she looks freaking glowing in the photo lol
If they are pro-Greta why would they use a really good picture here? They want to show how bad her incarceration is.
Greta <3
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