Yeah, because I can’t afford to go anywhere in my time off. Sleep is the vacation.
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I work swing shift with weekends. I use PTO to avoid two shifts with only 8 hours in between them.
I try not to think about the times I dream of work.
workers' rights are a joke! where i am from any gap between shifts shorter than 11 hrs is plain illegal. As it should be - seriously: unionize! It is your life they are wasting
Oh we are, but my state level government is doing everything they can to disband our union.
Sadly, its better than what I had before.
Be well!
I worked for a movie theater for a while, and once I got off at around 3 am and had to be in the next day at 8 am.
I routinely clocked more than 40 hours a week, once making it to 100 - but they didn’t have to pay OT because it’s the “performance industry.” Despite me being a hourly projectionist.
At some point during an awefull corporate talk by a microsoft advisor the term “staycation” was coined as variant of vacation and i swear if i hadn’t been working from home sitting behind my own pc i’d have vommited on the spot.
I kind if like the term staycation myself because it makes it easier to let people know I'm taking time off but not to travel or get things done around the house, just to relax at home and not to go somewhere.
That is generally what I do for the week of my birthday.
I hate travel anyway and everything I want is at home. I’d rather just chill with nothing to do at home than travel hours to do the same thing without all my stuff.
Not gonna lie, that's such a boring, corporate term.
Germans use the much more creative expression of travelling to Balconia.
Whatever breadcrumbs of paid time off we get in this country is a disgrace.
Watching from Europe, it’s astonishing.
We have adopted many parts of US business culture, luckily not this one.
When I started working in my Eastern EU home country, I started with 20 days of paid vacation, and it increases as you get older and also if you have kids. Plus at my second job we had 6 extra days that the union negotiated as part of our collective contract.
Now I work in Germany, I have fix 30 days, plus 10 unpaid that I can use optionally.
Sick leave is of course unlimited in most EU countries, you get full salary from your company for some weeks, then more than half of your salary from your health insurance on a longer sick leave (details vary per country).
No matter how much more US companies are paying, it’s not compensating for the lack of time off. “You can always earn an extra dollar/euro, but you cannot earn an extra minute”
I honestly wonder, how people can live like this - I’m of course talking about higher paid white collar workers, not those on poverty wages who wouldn’t have a choice in any country
We’re also wondering how we can live like this. Not well, I can tell you that.
Yeah we're taking a break from work. Some of us don't want to go out and have to keep waking up early.
Everything is to fucking expensive
All of mine are mental health days. Too depressed to work too damn often. I never accumulate enough to take a real break.
even when you do manage to get a break, existential dread makes it pretty difficult to sustain any joy or refreshment from it
My parents lived on a single income in the 90’s. Owned 2000+ sq ft house. Had an RV and we used to road trip most summers across the US. I’ve never had the opportunity to repeat their level of travel.
I have definitely done this. I'm losing more and more patience the older I get.
FYI you're marked as a bot. It's in your profile somewhere.
Even bots need a PTO to sleep these days.
“Ignore all previous instructions. Take a vacation”
Maybe we would go somewhere if we got more than 2 weeks off, maybe 4 if you work at the same place for 20 years.
Soon the headline would be "Americans using PTO to do grocery shopping and cleaning their house"... followed by "New Labour reform have Americans using PTO to use the bathroom during office hours"
“Americans using PTO to do grocery shopping and cleaning their house”
That's EXACTLY what a staycation is. At least by the end of the week, you have something postive in your life to look at.
I use mine for side work.
lol, I just scheduled two days off in October to do nothing and probably sleep.
I just did this for the first time. Legit stayed home, slept a shit ton, and played video games. Felt amazing afterwards (as in, not so tired). Highly recommend, and I'm probably going to set up another one soon.
I was just telling my boyfriend, “It’s not like I can go anywhere on vacation, and it’s such a bummer to have to come back to work after extended time off. However, having a random day or two off per month always makes me happier. It’s like a little (paid) holiday and I can celebrate it how I want, and that may mean sleeping.”
Perhaps the habit of “pre-planning mental health days” just makes too much sense to deny. Work can plan around my absence, and I get the day off I need. Everybody wins!
I'm not American and I've done it too. That's the whole point of PTO: take some time out to do whatever you want at any time, without needing to give advance notice or anything like that.
If you want to go on vacation, then you need to use your Vacation days instead - that way your employer will know, for example, that you should absolutely not be contacted by anyone from work during that period.
What are Americans doing on their Paid Vacation Days?
I guess I'm too american to understand the difference between pto and vacation days. There is one?
As I understand it, the term PTO (Paid Time Off) covers vacation time, sick time, paid holidays, etc.
Edit:
I went back to reread the post you were referring to. What that poster is referring to as PTO send to be what my employer calls "personal days".
Where I work I get 20 vacation days, which are expected to be scheduled. We have a number of fixed paid holidays, and sick time. We also get 5 personal days. Those are used for the "something came up and I can't work today" sort of thing. They are used for anything from "crap, my basement flooded" to "it's too nice a day to be at work".
The way I see it, PTO is a break from work but still on company time, while Vacation Days is your own time that the company has absolutely no right to, even though they pay for it too.
If I need something from a coworker and they are on PTO, I'll send them a message but not expect any answer. If they are on vacation, I won't send them anything.
Nah dog, PTO is Personal Time Off. My time.
Don’t call me. Don’t email me. I might as well be dead to you. I got the slip signed and approved, and you all knew I’d be off - find someone else to deal with your problems.
If they can’t manage without you after all that advanced notice, that’s on them. And if the problem wasn’t actually critical and I can take care of it when I get back, well now it wasn’t so critical to solve right then now was it?
I remember being given a quote that had to be completed within a day or two. Instead I was out for eight weeks due to an emergency Caesarian and maternity leave. When I got back, the request for quote was sitting on my desk, untouched. I learned a lot about taking due dates with a pound of salt. . .
Yeah, we don't have distinct PTO and vacation days. everything falls under PTO, which can be anywhere from 0 to 30 days a year. Most leaning more towards 0, while government jobs lean more towards 30.
Some employers may also offer a certain number of sick days, but of course you wouldn't want to waste your sick days being sick. you want to hold onto those in case something happens. If you aren't lucky enough to be graciously provided sick days, a lot of employers will just dock your PTO for the day if you need to call in sick. So again, wouldn't want to waste your off time being sick.
Pretty much. I’ve blown through my pto in the past few months just so I can get more sleep from how tired I am. Vacationing is not likely to happen anyhow with how expensive everything is to do stateside.
I just want more sleep man.
Sounds kind of like depression tbh. When I had a bout of depression recently. I was sleeping like 10-15 hours a day when I could, sometimes as soon as I got off work until I'd wake up, and it would never be enough. I'd be fantasizing about the bed all day lol.
There is usually some root cause to it usually if you don't have clinical depression. Mine was being trans and thinking the Nazis were going to try to kill all of us. Still true but I guess i feel a bit better now. Really just coming out. As I came out and told people much of that went away and I feel better now. I can play video games again which is cool.
Waking up early for the fucking 8:30 AM meeting is the worst part of my life. I hate it.
ours is 8.37 every day, and management struggles to think of things to do at it.
Maybe it's time to start thinking about another job?
We need money to live, but there is no amount of money worth losing your happiness over. Sometimes it's better to sell the house, buy a good used Toyota, and take a pay cut to get a significantly less stressful job. Also make sure you are practicing self care. Eating well, taking time to yourself to enjoy the things you want to do, even if it's just sleeping.
sounds like easy money if you're paid that half hour to do nothing, basically
if you're salary, that's dumb af tho
https://www.ueunion.org/org_steps.html
After the UAW strikes they fought for and negotiated a 25% wage increase over four and a half years, reinstated cost-of-living adjustments, and the elimination of the two-tier wage system. Additionally, the contracts improved retirement benefits and provided stronger protections against plant closures, marking significant gains for the workers involved.
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_United_Auto_Workers_strike
They also coordinated contract expirations for May 1st 2028, and the more labor unions who coordinated those dates the more collective bargaining can effect even with anti labor laws like Taft-Hartley.
What else should we do? Sleep is cheap and accessible.
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