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submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by TotallynotJessica to c/politicalmemes@lemmy.world

I've seen a depressing trend of Democratic politicians embracing anti trans talking points and compromising gender affirming care for young people. This is extremely concerning as states and the federal government are undermining access to care now more than ever. Democrats standing by trans people has far more dire consequences now than ever, yet we're being treated as politically disposable by people who used to campaign on lgbtq issues like Gavin Newsom and Pete Buttigieg.

I can't say I'm surprised. Liberal papers like the New York Times has been uncritically promoting unscientific transphobia for years that claims alternatives exist to gender affirming care. My guess is that people see a person transitioning as an unfortunate thing, desperately wishing there was another way. They ignore the fact that gender affirming care is both the best treatment for dysphoria, and one of the most successful treatments for any mental condition ever discovered.

To put it simply, making gender affirming care harder to obtain for kids will kill many of them. Kids being kept from care by their parents already drives people to suicide, and a slimy politician preventing supportive parents from helping their kids will do the same. Every time I see people claim these guys are our best shot at beating fascism, I die inside. I have no doubt that they'll eventually axe care for all adults like everyone who was originally "worried about fairness in sports" is currently pushing for. The only way they won't is if we make it a costly issue for them.

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[-] ElcaineVolta@kbin.melroy.org 89 points 1 month ago

none of us are free until all of us are free.

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[-] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 46 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I've seen a depressing trend of Democratic politicians embracing anti trans talking points and compromising gender affirming care for young people.

Burn the DNC to the ground, these impotent acts of betrayal of the voting base that fail to meaningfully activate anyone in return are the unmistakable indicators of a terminal disease in the party.

The sooner we do it, the sooner we can start building a real party on the left in the US.

This isn't redeemable or reformable.

[-] Sunshine@piefed.ca 8 points 1 month ago

Make a third party that appeals regionally at first than expand nationwide to replace the democrats.

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It’s a mathematical certainty that any work on a third party will only help the party that it is most unlike. Seriously, you aren’t the first to think “fuck it, let’s just have a NEW party.” You will spend your days actively harming your interests until you die. And here’s the part where you tell me it needs to get worse before it gets better. No, it doesn’t. It needs to get better incrementally over long time scales and that is the ONLY way anything has ever improved anywhere. Do the work. This nonsense about burning down the world over a single issue is performative crap we don’t have time for.

[-] Sunshine@piefed.ca 10 points 1 month ago

This is why first-past-the-post needs to be replaced with the single transferable vote. The rules were originally designed by the rich for the rich.

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

If you believe that’s where your energy is best spent, I wish you success. It’s probably a matter of planting trees whose shade you’ll never sit in, but there are healthy alternatives we can promote.

Starting a third party in a FPTP system? That’s just suicide.

There is another way: run for office as a Democrat and be the change you want to see in the party. What Bernie and AOC did. We need a few dozen more of them, and things will actually start moving.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

What the tea party did. What MAGA did. What Mandami is doing.

Changing the existing party is what works. Demolishing it does not.

We can only hope Elon starts his third party he's threatened a couple times.

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[-] missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 month ago

the proper way is to do a hostile takeover of the Democratic party.

Trump wasn't really a Republican, he was a nationalist (in 2016) and now a fascist (in 2024.) Republicans were neocons, libertarians and classical conservatives.

in 2017 he purged the actual Republicans from the Party, and filled its hollowed husk with MAGA. by 2024, the takeover was complete. actual Republicans (e.g. Liz Cheney, Romney) abandoned ship. the name is the only thing that stayed the same.

so, we need to do the same with the DNC. the formula is simple. hijack the primaries, shove the existing leadership out and show the Republicans what "socialism" really means.

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[-] lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world 38 points 1 month ago

Trans rights are human rights. What would be the point of opposing fascism if it's not to uphold human rights?

[-] TotallynotJessica 17 points 1 month ago

because it's worse for business than neoliberalism was. The rich agreed to fascism because they needed to redirect populist sentiment, but the neoliberal model really was optimal for them.

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[-] Rooskie91@discuss.online 35 points 1 month ago

Giving up on trans rights is the definition of losing to fascism.

Fascism is an ideology that's turtules all the way down. Once you exclude one group you have built the social infrastructure and mechanisms to exclude any other group. The only defense is to accept and include all groups.

[-] vzqq 13 points 1 month ago

This. This is how genocide operates. The number of bystanders gets lower and lower as they are carted off into the camps or turn full blown fascist. It’s always like this. Armenia. Germany. Rwanda. It’s a set script.

RFK has made no secret of wanting to take away meds from mentally ill people and putting them into farming camps.

[-] Sunshine@piefed.ca 32 points 1 month ago

Mamdani needs to become mayor of New York already to show these clown democrats how to do their jobs.

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 month ago

They are doing their jobs. They aren't stupid, they just don't work for us.

[-] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

And we shouldn't be voting for anyone who won't work for us.

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[-] renamon_silver@lemmy.wtf 26 points 1 month ago

You guys don't get it. We need to concede the civil rights of a marginalized group to defeat fascism!

[-] missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 month ago

if the Social Democrats would just concede the Jewish Question, they could have kept the Nazis out of power!

[-] TotallynotJessica 9 points 1 month ago
[-] ameancow@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

Sure, but it is kinda funny how every time people start to get close to attacking capitalism or supporting socialists rising in power, suddenly there's a big wave of hate and outrage at trans people, gay people, migrants, etc.

It's almost like they want us to butt-heads with a majority of the population about issues that population will never budge on because the average American has the attention span and compassion of a broken chunk of drywall and only know how to fight.

I have been saying this for a long time, do not abandon advocacy for the rights of marginalized people, but if we want to actually bend society to protecting and respecting those rights, we have to bend it against corporate influence, we have to elect anti-oligarchs, socialists and economic progressives to our local seats of power and influence, we have to kick the legs out from under the foundation of the system that will come for trans people, it will come for gay people, it will come for brown, black and interracial couples, it will come for the mentally handicapped and it will come for women and children, it will come for your video games and your weed and your furry art. One-by-one, every single right and freedom will be lost if we don't start using our strongest weapon against their most vulnerable weak-point, which is by not spending money on luxuries, saving cash away from the banks and corporations who want to "borrow" it.

Our interpersonal narratives with each other need to keep focusing on how the wealthy are the ones making us hate each other, they're the ones driving up the price of eggs, they're the ones making us scared of trans people, they're the ones running congress and senate, they're the ones making gas cost so much, they're the ones taking chunks out of our paychecks and giving us NOTHING in return.

Again, all anyone knows how to do is argue and fight so we have to channel that at the right targets instead of meeting it head-on or we will keep getting stuck in this spiral that has seen only losses in the last decade.

[-] yesman@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

Your "reasoned" argument to "slow down", "don't rock the boat" or "be patient" for social justice would be familiar to Civil Rights activists. MLK suggested that the "white moderate" was a bigger obstacle to civil rights than the white citizens council.

What you're really saying is that class struggle takes priority over social justice. The big problem with that is that social justice has never came to people who who politely sit at the back of the bus.

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[-] TheFinn@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 1 month ago

I get it, but conservatism has taken over by ratcheting the country to the right. They've been patiently putting people in positions of power from dog catcher up to the presidency for the last forty years.

Progressives aren't satisfied with ratcheting the country to the left. It's all or nothing.

[-] M1ch431@slrpnk.net 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The country never moves towards the left or anything closely resembling egalitarianism in any meaningful way. Gay marriage has been one of the few major wins in recent history, but that's not "ratcheting the country to the left". You could be the most staunch supporter of capitalism and "free markets" in the world, literally the opposite of egalitarianism, and still support trans and gay rights/be socially liberal.

Progressives aren’t satisfied with ratcheting the country to the left. It’s all or nothing.

The Democrats aren't satisfied until the country is completely to the right and they aren't interested in winning elections or seriously fighting MAGA - their focus is firmly on suppressing the left.

Progressives do not hold significant power in elected office or in the DNC. Bernie Sanders had two primaries rigged against him, and David Hogg was recently ousted from his position as Vice Chair of the DNC ~~for gender diversity reasons~~ because he was pushing progressive primary challengers.

Ken Martin also ensured DNC officer neutrality in future primaries this year, in order to neuter David Hogg not long after he committed to funding these challengers (which is likely why David Hogg refused to run for re-election). Democrats only have a problem with rigging primaries when progressives are the ones getting support.

Progressives are unpredictable and difficult to control, may be of the socialist variety, and disincentivize major donors - which the DNC and Democratic party rely on.

[-] TheFinn@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

"Ending" slavery, suffrage, the New Deal, income tax, * gay rights... They were all steps to the left.

I'm not arguing that the democratic party as it stands is the vehicle to institute a just and fair society. But I did watch the Tea Party subvert and consume the republicans. It can be done to the democratic party as well. It has to be in tandem with regular wins, like how the conservatives did it.

*I can't believe I left out Roe v Wade

[-] M1ch431@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

“Ending” slavery

Slavery only increased under neoliberal policy. Where does our lithium come from? Slaves and child slaves. Our cocoa? In part, child slaves. Where do most of our goods come from? Sweat shops and exploited third-world countries. Our prison labor, which has absolutely exploded under neoliberal policy, is also by definition slave labor. Before Trump, over 40% of our agricultural labor force were undocumented immigrants - modern slaves.

I'm sure if you looked hard enough, you'd see how much suffering and exploitation went into every single item around you.

suffrage, the New Deal, income tax

Ancient history, and none of these things besides suffrage truly represent the left, which is commonly associated with socialism and egalitarianism - the left was historically coined to describe socialists. And it's worth mentioning Democrats are further right than most European center-right parties.

gay rights

You could even be a bigger fascist and authoritarian than Trump, including being a Christian, and be in support of gay rights. See Peter Thiel, self-proclaimed right-libertarian, who is the opposite of a libertarian in practice.

Democrats flying the rainbow flag is just as gross and meaningless as corporations doing it: it's branding. Except now the branding requires that we sacrifice trans people to appeal to ~~centrists~~ Republicans/old-school conservatives and try to siphon voters from MAGA. Meanwhile, gay marriage is likely going to quickly be dismantled like everything else, while Democrats stand silent.

But I did watch the Tea Party subvert and consume the republicans. It can be done to the democratic party as well.

Will this come in time to address the fresh water crisis? Will it come in time to address the climate crisis? How many trans people will die by suicide because it's "too radical" to support them even a little bit? How many people will die because of preventable disease? How many people will forego higher education? How many people will be laid off and rendered homeless until we establish UBI? How many child slaves will be sacrificed in the mines so we can have new iPhones every year? I could go on and on and on.

It has to be in tandem with regular wins, like how the conservatives did it.

Progressives have been playing ball way more than you suggest. Enough. It's become a game of dodgeball where progressives can't throw, only take hits from the Democrats and everybody else. Shifting to the right is not an effective strategy for Democrats, not even a little bit. 1/3 of the country doesn't vote, why the fuck is nobody looking at that group?

Saw your edit:

*I can’t believe I left out Roe v Wade

A Supreme Court decision. Which was never codified into law by Democrats...

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[-] DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Welcome to your civilization. Where your rights are used to further agendas.

Edit:Not Progress

[-] _druid@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 month ago

Ratchet effect, in real time. This is what harm reduction and blue no matter who buys you. Democrats are not your friend. The system cannot be reformed. We cannot vote our way out of this. Trans people need to arm up. Allies need to arm up. Look out for one another. Stay safe and good luck.

[-] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 14 points 1 month ago

Not what they mean at all. It's just that social issues are secondary to winning the war.

This means putting it off until Conservatives can no longer stop us.

(Not trans btw, just believe in trans right)

[-] piefood@feddit.online 19 points 1 month ago

Their strategy is currently losing the war, as well as social issues

[-] BanMe@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

My FB feed is still littered with die-hard liberals espousing views we could afford to debate 15, 20 years ago. Pollution and gun rights. Every word they say is heard differently by the other side and they still don't get it. Fascists are taking over the US and they want to figure out how to recycle better.

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[-] Entertainmeonly 11 points 1 month ago

Thanks. Glad I'm here for you to sacrifice.

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[-] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 month ago

Democrats should really just embrace pro-gun politics and win over both right-wingers and left-wing gun owners.

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[-] piefood@feddit.online 13 points 1 month ago

Not only Democratic politicians, I see it here in the Fediverse all the time. People seem to think that the Democrats winning is more important than human rights.

I just don't understood that kind of dogmatic thinking.

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[-] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Honestly and in all seriousness, I don't think trans rights matter enough to drop them. Like these people aren't in favor of e.g. trump because of trans rights. They are in favor of trump. Why? There is no actual reason. We are talking about people who want the death penalty and a small government??? Who want to cut spending and vote for the guy who spends more money??? they are worried about the quality of life of workers and vote ice cold capitalist into power??? Trans rights don't matter for them, it is a story that they can tell themselves. It is a "reason" because "idk i am just really frustrated and I don't know how to deal with the mental discomfort of acknowledging that my behavior especially my political behavior supported the creation of the situation that I strongly dislike" just isn't comfortable for them.

Trans rights are more than extremely important but politically, they just don't matter. Dropping them will change nothing, but make us worse people.

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[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 month ago

As an AAPI kid, I am more than used to liberals and leftists abandoning and shitting on us at the drop of a hat. In a just world? That wouldn't fucking happen. In the world we live in? I'll settle for not being actively attacked. Let us fight the slow burn fight just don't actively harm. Just so long as it wins elections and does overall harm mitigation.

But that isn't the case. Democrats increasingly try to be "republican lite" and it just doesn't fucking work. Because the DNC seems to believe the bullshit that the republicans are full of "bush era republicans" and "mavericks" who all hate what the party has become and are just looking for an opportunity to do the right thing. And they completely ignore that all those "mavericks" still vote lockstep with the magats (barring one or two personal issues) because they actually also want the hate and suffering but don't like that it isn't them who are leading the charge.

But when one candidate is running on the gas chamber for all trans people and the other candidate just wants to rough them up a bit? The hateful shitheads aren't going to settle for less. But to everyone else? "Both sides suck".

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[-] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Transphobia IS gender fascism

[-] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 11 points 1 month ago

That's like saying they need to give up on the mentally and intellectually handicapped in order to fight the original Nazis... it was who they killed first!

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[-] Wilco@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 month ago

We dont have to give up on any single group to fight MAGA morons. Just start calling MAGA what they are, the pedo party.

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[-] rarsamx@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Oh my friend. You haven't figured out that the Democrats are just really "right light" without a backbone?

Would've they been better than Trump? 100% yes. But anything can be better than Trump's Republicans.

There is no real social left movement in the US. Maybe Bernie and AOC get close to it but still quite centrist.

So, the Democrats are the right throwing some social crumbs around but supporting regressive policies. Once people realize that, a real social movement can start.

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[-] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

But you see, throwing trans people under the bus is a necessary step to finally convince the people running the camps that we're on their side. I'm actually reducing harm. I'm a good person.

[-] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

"Let's meet in the middle and only oppress people 50%"

[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Personally, I don't see a difference between combating fascism, and gender rights, gender affirming care, and recognizing people as the gender that they feel most comfortable as. I also don't see a difference between combating fascism and LGBTQIA+ rights in general.

Fascists would have all of those rights stripped away from people. So bring pro LGBTQIA+ and being against fascism, is essentially the same thing in my mind.

The thing about it is, you can be against fascism, but not pro LGBTQIA+, but it would be, in my mind, impossible to be pro LGBTQIA+ and not be anti fascist.

So anyone who wants to deny LGBTQIA+, gender affirming care, or the recognition of people's gender, but who is self-proclaiming to be against fascism, is either under some confused notion of what fascism would entail, trying to find some "middle ground" which doesn't really exist, or they're still fascist, but only if their way of life is what's being promoted under fascism, and we can it something other than fascism.

All of those people can suck my dick.

LGBTQIA+ rights are human rights.

EDIT: I want to add that I'm not LGBTQIA+. I just believe that anyone who is, should have the same rights to be just as happy, or as miserable, as everyone who isn't. I am an ally. I am a humanist.

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