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submitted 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) by TotallynotJessica to c/politicalmemes@lemmy.world

I've seen a depressing trend of Democratic politicians embracing anti trans talking points and compromising gender affirming care for young people. This is extremely concerning as states and the federal government are undermining access to care now more than ever. Democrats standing by trans people has far more dire consequences now than ever, yet we're being treated as politically disposable by people who used to campaign on lgbtq issues like Gavin Newsom and Pete Buttigieg.

I can't say I'm surprised. Liberal papers like the New York Times has been uncritically promoting unscientific transphobia for years that claims alternatives exist to gender affirming care. My guess is that people see a person transitioning as an unfortunate thing, desperately wishing there was another way. They ignore the fact that gender affirming care is both the best treatment for dysphoria, and one of the most successful treatments for any mental condition ever discovered.

To put it simply, making gender affirming care harder to obtain for kids will kill many of them. Kids being kept from care by their parents already drives people to suicide, and a slimy politician preventing supportive parents from helping their kids will do the same. Every time I see people claim these guys are our best shot at beating fascism, I die inside. I have no doubt that they'll eventually axe care for all adults like everyone who was originally "worried about fairness in sports" is currently pushing for. The only way they won't is if we make it a costly issue for them.

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[-] ElcaineVolta@kbin.melroy.org 87 points 6 days ago

none of us are free until all of us are free.

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[-] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago

Transphobia IS gender fascism

[-] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 45 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I've seen a depressing trend of Democratic politicians embracing anti trans talking points and compromising gender affirming care for young people.

Burn the DNC to the ground, these impotent acts of betrayal of the voting base that fail to meaningfully activate anyone in return are the unmistakable indicators of a terminal disease in the party.

The sooner we do it, the sooner we can start building a real party on the left in the US.

This isn't redeemable or reformable.

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[-] lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world 37 points 6 days ago

Trans rights are human rights. What would be the point of opposing fascism if it's not to uphold human rights?

[-] TotallynotJessica 16 points 6 days ago

because it's worse for business than neoliberalism was. The rich agreed to fascism because they needed to redirect populist sentiment, but the neoliberal model really was optimal for them.

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[-] Rooskie91@discuss.online 34 points 6 days ago

Giving up on trans rights is the definition of losing to fascism.

Fascism is an ideology that's turtules all the way down. Once you exclude one group you have built the social infrastructure and mechanisms to exclude any other group. The only defense is to accept and include all groups.

[-] vzqq 13 points 6 days ago

This. This is how genocide operates. The number of bystanders gets lower and lower as they are carted off into the camps or turn full blown fascist. It’s always like this. Armenia. Germany. Rwanda. It’s a set script.

RFK has made no secret of wanting to take away meds from mentally ill people and putting them into farming camps.

[-] Sunshine@piefed.ca 31 points 6 days ago

Mamdani needs to become mayor of New York already to show these clown democrats how to do their jobs.

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 16 points 6 days ago

They are doing their jobs. They aren't stupid, they just don't work for us.

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[-] Octavio@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago

Yah fuck that. Trans rights are not something I’m going to be willing to agree to disagree on. If you allow any group of people to be denied their freedom in order to stop fascism, you’re not defeating the fascists at all. You’re fucking joining them.

[-] renamon_silver@lemmy.wtf 25 points 6 days ago

You guys don't get it. We need to concede the civil rights of a marginalized group to defeat fascism!

[-] missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 6 days ago

if the Social Democrats would just concede the Jewish Question, they could have kept the Nazis out of power!

[-] TotallynotJessica 9 points 6 days ago
[-] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Honestly and in all seriousness, I don't think trans rights matter enough to drop them. Like these people aren't in favor of e.g. trump because of trans rights. They are in favor of trump. Why? There is no actual reason. We are talking about people who want the death penalty and a small government??? Who want to cut spending and vote for the guy who spends more money??? they are worried about the quality of life of workers and vote ice cold capitalist into power??? Trans rights don't matter for them, it is a story that they can tell themselves. It is a "reason" because "idk i am just really frustrated and I don't know how to deal with the mental discomfort of acknowledging that my behavior especially my political behavior supported the creation of the situation that I strongly dislike" just isn't comfortable for them.

Trans rights are more than extremely important but politically, they just don't matter. Dropping them will change nothing, but make us worse people.

[-] 5too@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

To say it another way, even if you were to drop support for trans rights, you wouldn't gain much of anything.

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[-] TheFinn@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 6 days ago

I get it, but conservatism has taken over by ratcheting the country to the right. They've been patiently putting people in positions of power from dog catcher up to the presidency for the last forty years.

Progressives aren't satisfied with ratcheting the country to the left. It's all or nothing.

[-] birdwing 1 points 3 days ago

No "buts".

Liberation cannot be done with giving it to everyone, provided that fascists get buried 6 ft under.

[-] TheFinn@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 days ago

It's not liberation until it's for everyone. But we won't get there in one legislative fight, or even one legislative session, once and for all. It will always need to be fought for.

Conservatives won't turn down a smaller victory for one that's out of reach. That's why they're winning.

[-] birdwing 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Ansolutely agree, people didn't turn to being pro-abortion instantly. But with a long and gradual strifle.

But we should be aware to never give up that which we already have.

[-] M1ch431@slrpnk.net 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

The country never moves towards the left or anything closely resembling egalitarianism in any meaningful way. Gay marriage has been one of the few major wins in recent history, but that's not "ratcheting the country to the left". You could be the most staunch supporter of capitalism and "free markets" in the world, literally the opposite of egalitarianism, and still support trans and gay rights/be socially liberal.

Progressives aren’t satisfied with ratcheting the country to the left. It’s all or nothing.

The Democrats aren't satisfied until the country is completely to the right and they aren't interested in winning elections or seriously fighting MAGA - their focus is firmly on suppressing the left.

Progressives do not hold significant power in elected office or in the DNC. Bernie Sanders had two primaries rigged against him, and David Hogg was recently ousted from his position as Vice Chair of the DNC ~~for gender diversity reasons~~ because he was pushing progressive primary challengers.

Ken Martin also ensured DNC officer neutrality in future primaries this year, in order to neuter David Hogg not long after he committed to funding these challengers (which is likely why David Hogg refused to run for re-election). Democrats only have a problem with rigging primaries when progressives are the ones getting support.

Progressives are unpredictable and difficult to control, may be of the socialist variety, and disincentivize major donors - which the DNC and Democratic party rely on.

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[-] rarsamx@lemmy.ca 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Oh my friend. You haven't figured out that the Democrats are just really "right light" without a backbone?

Would've they been better than Trump? 100% yes. But anything can be better than Trump's Republicans.

There is no real social left movement in the US. Maybe Bernie and AOC get close to it but still quite centrist.

So, the Democrats are the right throwing some social crumbs around but supporting regressive policies. Once people realize that, a real social movement can start.

[-] birdwing 1 points 3 days ago

There are left movements, though. There's the Democratic Socialists of the USA.

[-] rarsamx@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago

I'm pretty sure even Communists. But your political system and the leaning of most of the US people means that they will never be able to have any impact.

[-] birdwing 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Not without exposure, and not with that attitude. One person can have impact, for better (Nelson Mandela) or worse (Trump).

[-] TotallynotJessica 5 points 5 days ago

I've known this for years. What I'm pissed about is liberal asshats who think transphobes are the messiahs who will save their already dead rule of law.

[-] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 14 points 6 days ago

Not what they mean at all. It's just that social issues are secondary to winning the war.

This means putting it off until Conservatives can no longer stop us.

(Not trans btw, just believe in trans right)

[-] piefood@feddit.online 18 points 6 days ago

Their strategy is currently losing the war, as well as social issues

[-] BanMe@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

My FB feed is still littered with die-hard liberals espousing views we could afford to debate 15, 20 years ago. Pollution and gun rights. Every word they say is heard differently by the other side and they still don't get it. Fascists are taking over the US and they want to figure out how to recycle better.

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[-] Entertainmeonly 11 points 6 days ago

Thanks. Glad I'm here for you to sacrifice.

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[-] Wilco@lemmy.zip 9 points 5 days ago

We dont have to give up on any single group to fight MAGA morons. Just start calling MAGA what they are, the pedo party.

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[-] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 13 points 6 days ago

Democrats should really just embrace pro-gun politics and win over both right-wingers and left-wing gun owners.

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[-] ameancow@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago

Sure, but it is kinda funny how every time people start to get close to attacking capitalism or supporting socialists rising in power, suddenly there's a big wave of hate and outrage at trans people, gay people, migrants, etc.

It's almost like they want us to butt-heads with a majority of the population about issues that population will never budge on because the average American has the attention span and compassion of a broken chunk of drywall and only know how to fight.

I have been saying this for a long time, do not abandon advocacy for the rights of marginalized people, but if we want to actually bend society to protecting and respecting those rights, we have to bend it against corporate influence, we have to elect anti-oligarchs, socialists and economic progressives to our local seats of power and influence, we have to kick the legs out from under the foundation of the system that will come for trans people, it will come for gay people, it will come for brown, black and interracial couples, it will come for the mentally handicapped and it will come for women and children, it will come for your video games and your weed and your furry art. One-by-one, every single right and freedom will be lost if we don't start using our strongest weapon against their most vulnerable weak-point, which is by not spending money on luxuries, saving cash away from the banks and corporations who want to "borrow" it.

Our interpersonal narratives with each other need to keep focusing on how the wealthy are the ones making us hate each other, they're the ones driving up the price of eggs, they're the ones making us scared of trans people, they're the ones running congress and senate, they're the ones making gas cost so much, they're the ones taking chunks out of our paychecks and giving us NOTHING in return.

Again, all anyone knows how to do is argue and fight so we have to channel that at the right targets instead of meeting it head-on or we will keep getting stuck in this spiral that has seen only losses in the last decade.

[-] yesman@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago

Your "reasoned" argument to "slow down", "don't rock the boat" or "be patient" for social justice would be familiar to Civil Rights activists. MLK suggested that the "white moderate" was a bigger obstacle to civil rights than the white citizens council.

What you're really saying is that class struggle takes priority over social justice. The big problem with that is that social justice has never came to people who who politely sit at the back of the bus.

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[-] DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Welcome to your civilization. Where your rights are used to further agendas.

Edit:Not Progress

[-] _druid@sh.itjust.works 15 points 6 days ago

Ratchet effect, in real time. This is what harm reduction and blue no matter who buys you. Democrats are not your friend. The system cannot be reformed. We cannot vote our way out of this. Trans people need to arm up. Allies need to arm up. Look out for one another. Stay safe and good luck.

[-] piefood@feddit.online 13 points 6 days ago

Not only Democratic politicians, I see it here in the Fediverse all the time. People seem to think that the Democrats winning is more important than human rights.

I just don't understood that kind of dogmatic thinking.

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[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Personally, I don't see a difference between combating fascism, and gender rights, gender affirming care, and recognizing people as the gender that they feel most comfortable as. I also don't see a difference between combating fascism and LGBTQIA+ rights in general.

Fascists would have all of those rights stripped away from people. So bring pro LGBTQIA+ and being against fascism, is essentially the same thing in my mind.

The thing about it is, you can be against fascism, but not pro LGBTQIA+, but it would be, in my mind, impossible to be pro LGBTQIA+ and not be anti fascist.

So anyone who wants to deny LGBTQIA+, gender affirming care, or the recognition of people's gender, but who is self-proclaiming to be against fascism, is either under some confused notion of what fascism would entail, trying to find some "middle ground" which doesn't really exist, or they're still fascist, but only if their way of life is what's being promoted under fascism, and we can it something other than fascism.

All of those people can suck my dick.

LGBTQIA+ rights are human rights.

EDIT: I want to add that I'm not LGBTQIA+. I just believe that anyone who is, should have the same rights to be just as happy, or as miserable, as everyone who isn't. I am an ally. I am a humanist.

[-] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 10 points 6 days ago

That's like saying they need to give up on the mentally and intellectually handicapped in order to fight the original Nazis... it was who they killed first!

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[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 12 points 6 days ago

As an AAPI kid, I am more than used to liberals and leftists abandoning and shitting on us at the drop of a hat. In a just world? That wouldn't fucking happen. In the world we live in? I'll settle for not being actively attacked. Let us fight the slow burn fight just don't actively harm. Just so long as it wins elections and does overall harm mitigation.

But that isn't the case. Democrats increasingly try to be "republican lite" and it just doesn't fucking work. Because the DNC seems to believe the bullshit that the republicans are full of "bush era republicans" and "mavericks" who all hate what the party has become and are just looking for an opportunity to do the right thing. And they completely ignore that all those "mavericks" still vote lockstep with the magats (barring one or two personal issues) because they actually also want the hate and suffering but don't like that it isn't them who are leading the charge.

But when one candidate is running on the gas chamber for all trans people and the other candidate just wants to rough them up a bit? The hateful shitheads aren't going to settle for less. But to everyone else? "Both sides suck".

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[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 6 points 5 days ago

the old guard is trying to avoid another zohran, bernie, aoc, or the minnesota mayor, hence pedalling a republican lite is the best they can do.

[-] Phegan@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

Trans right is a Canary issue for me. If you are willing to compromise your values there, it tells me you are willing to compromise in other areas.

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