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[-] hansolo@lemmy.today 7 points 1 day ago

"You are simultaneously healthy and dying of cancer. We just need only observe you when you're healthy."

[-] T156@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The supposed science behind homeopathy was already known, though. It was never a mystery.

It basically worked around the pseudoscientific principle that water remembered what used to be in it, so if you diluted out water concentrated with the thing you had, it would somehow "remember" what was in it, and when taken, would draw it from the body through some principle of magnetism.

It's not like it magically somehow worked, and everyone was in amazement or anything quite like that. The only real reasons it did anything at all was that its contemporary treatments were things like bloodletting, which were worse for most things than not doing anything at all, or as a result of placebo.

[-] ftbd@feddit.org 1 points 2 hours ago

Assuming this effect existed, wouldn't the memory of the water be polluted with all kind of things (as water is recycled all the time)? The specific water molecules you are ingesting probably spent considerable time (considering the age of the earth and all water on it) as saltwater. If longer exposure makes the memory stronger, you should be getting a lethal dose of salt quite easily

[-] A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl 4 points 1 day ago

Not only that, but that the compound you dilute, must be something that causes the symptoms you pretend to aliviate.

[-] orbitz@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 day ago

I highly recommend everyone to read up on Feynman, he is absolutely one of the genius that you can read about for modern times (well probably Hawking too). He gave me the urge to understand calculus and even if I never got there (I will probably try till I die because I wish I understood the world in a similar way), I so wish I could understand it 1/10 of he did. Also the biographies and other stories show how much he loves what he did, if we only could have many more with such interest in science. Mean maybe we do I don't read science journals but his drive I think shows a lot.

[-] 000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

But be warned about othet people writing on "his behalf" though: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TwKpj2ISQAc&t=5438s

[-] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 day ago

Anyone who wins a Nobel in physics by watching people in a cafeteria is worth llistneing to.

There are some interviews in YT with him. I like the one where he tells the interviewer if he wants to stump a physicists ask them how ice skates work.

[-] ComfortableRaspberry@feddit.org 98 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Spouse comes from a family believing in this shit. They have a go to doctor for regular health issues (that one seems to be okay) and one for the bad issues (that's the fraud).

I'm sick for > 5 years now so I'm at the stage where I try everything if it doesn't seem to kill me so about 3 years ago I went to see him.

It was wild (quantum physics are easy to use and he heals his grandchildren in Africa regularly, pendulums and quartz stones were used, he shoved me around a few times, ...) and in the end he explained that I'm suffering from worms that can't be detected with school medicine tests. His treatment was as follows:

  • No alcohol and caffeine for two weeks so he can remotely undo my corona vaccine
  • Taking a few drops of his medicine daily so he can remotely attack the worms through this

The whole session was expensive as fuck and I had some very long talks with my spouse about this afterwards. He stopped giving money to this guy now, after the fraud doctor started to call him and say he saw that my spouse is becoming sick (fraud dr has a drop of spouse's blood and claims it changes when spouse becomes sick) and that he needs to start his remote therapy..

If you can speak German or are willing to translate: behold fraud dr website

[-] Jesus_666@lemmy.world 33 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I saw the term "bio resonance" and immediately knew that this ostensible medical practitioner couldn't get in touch with reality if they used a special reality-seeking pole constructed from a thousand dousing rods.

I used to work adjacent to the medical field, close enough to have to deal with a certain kind of medical practitioner a lot. For some reason, that part of medicine attracts people who believe in the supernatural so I'm familiar with bullshit from anthroposophy to quantum healing.

That shit gets real wild real fast. Bio resonance is already terrible (it's basically the same kind of bullshit Scientology's "E-meters" pretend to do but now as a "therapeutic" device with thirty buttons). But the worst must be quantum healing.

In quantum healing, actually seeing the patient in person is not necessary. Neither is knowing a lot about the patient. In fact, the less the practitioner knows, the better. Just give them a picture and a really vague description of the symptoms and the person (or pet; it "works" for those, too), and the practitioner will do something at some point in the future that will have some positive effect on either the person or the universe as a whole, even if it's not obvious. Source: Trust me, bro.

And they charge real money for that shit. Real medical practitioners who went to real university and have a real degree in human medicine.

Absolutely incredible.

[-] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 15 points 2 days ago

What's even wilder is, that at some point I had the "pleasure" to meet someone who was a self proclaimed "expert on radioactivity". This man walked around with a stick waving it around and then measuring radioactivity in percent. He then proceeded to bury a bowl in the field to trap all sorts of radiation in there and cleanse all radioactivity from the nearby area in it. It was god damn awful to see my parents paying actual money for this man.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 15 points 2 days ago

The no alcohol and caffeine could actually help. It's worth a shot at least if you still have ongoing issues. Not that this hack deduced anything accurately, but that probably does help a lot of people, and then he gets to take credit for it. It's cheaper than free to try, though you'll probably have some headaches for a few days if you have a bad caffeine dependence, like almost all of our society has.

[-] SippyCup@feddit.nl 18 points 2 days ago

Generally if you're talking to someone with a chronic illness, and you think you have an idea of something that might help: A, it won't, and 2, they've already tried it or C, they physically can't.

[-] sunflowercowboy@feddit.org 5 points 2 days ago

I was overweight my whole life. Never tried fasting, dieting, or exercise. Suddenly did at the age of 24 and would you look at that? Constantly doctors telling me, even my diabetes was confused which one it should be, then the life of my love appeared before me.

It's better to extend a hand of help in kindness, and possibly corrected, than it is to do nothing at all.

Assumptivity only helps those who have been helped.

[-] SippyCup@feddit.nl 6 points 1 day ago

My guy, being fat is not the same as having a hard to pin down chronic illness.

I say this as a guy who does not remember a day where I wasn't concerned about my weight, who only recently managed to drop from obese to over weight. You can fix being fat. You can fix fat with diet and exercise. You can't fix "maybe lupus? Maybe MCTD? I dunno it's probably autoimmune? We're going to need to order more tests" with diet, exercise, magic crystals, or whatever other random bullshit people like to suggest.

[-] sunflowercowboy@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago

My point exactly, something I could control easily and not a single action.

Diet and exercise normally isnt done to fix issues but to dilute them. You can only ever do so much. People cannot know all, next best they offer a gentle suggestion and just know they wish you longer health.

Then again diabetes and the complications thereof do not seem like chronic conditions to you.

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[-] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

wow and in Germany too. You would think a good level of nation-wide education would solve such problems. seems like not.

[-] nightlily@leminal.space 10 points 2 days ago

“Best” part of this is that our public health insurance pays out for this nonsense. Some providers allow you to opt out but I don’t think the majority of Germans bother.

[-] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 2 days ago

German loves homeopathy actually

[-] ComfortableRaspberry@feddit.org 10 points 2 days ago

The Nazis and (racial) pseudo science. Name a more iconic duo.

But even before that, health at least to a certain degree, has become a product. This is the breeding ground for these kind of people.

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[-] Evil_Shrubbery@lemmy.zip 59 points 2 days ago

'Vibe-healing.'

We await AI homeopathy healers.

[-] johnyreeferseed@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I'm pretty sure I already saw an article where a guy replaced his table salt with some other form of sodium because chat gpt suggested it. He ended up giving himself a disease that's been mostly eradicated in the modern day.

[-] WhiteOakBayou@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

A poisoning that's rarely seen anymore but used to be more common. The heaps of data on bromism over the decades must not have made it into the training data.

[-] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 day ago

Probably made it into the training data, but he didn't ask the right prompt to make it spit out the info.

ChatGPT isn't very good at grasping intent or considering consequences before you ask about specific things. It's still more A than I lol

[-] WhiteOakBayou@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

It's like that "charge your iphone in the microwave" image that went around for a while but writ large and in language tailored to be more convincing.

[-] IrritableOcelot@beehaw.org 5 points 1 day ago

Yup, he was eating sodium bromide instead of sodium chloride. Any significant amount of bromide is not good for ya.

[-] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 days ago

The irony is that for a good amount of less-serious health issues the placebo will work.

[-] Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca 70 points 2 days ago

https://www.howdoeshomeopathywork.com/

Still the best explanation of homeopathy out there on the internet.

[-] fckreddit@lemmy.ml 30 points 2 days ago

I hate it how people are willing to trust any shady person in the name of alternative medicine. Sure, regular medicine has it's flaws, but the solution is better research, not alt medicine peddled by the shadiest people imaginable.

[-] sqgl@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 days ago

They act as if the alternative practitioners are immune from corruption.

[-] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 8 points 2 days ago

"But this supplement was just researched and developed by an exceptionally clever homeschooling mom who wanted to take on big pharma!"

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[-] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

Careful, this might get you sued in Germany.

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Yeah know over the years I have gone from let the idiots be idiots when it comes to folks who believe pseudoscience, but I am now of the general opinion that it should be perfectly acceptable to throw them in front of a train.

[-] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 day ago

Yeah know over the years I have gone from let the idiots be idiots

The problem is they take over the world, they end up in the positions of power etc. How to contain that, short of derision I'm not sure and even derision often doesnt work, some wear their stupidity as a badge of achievement!

It's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves.” - Franz Kafka

The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. - Bertrand Russell

Absolutely also doesn't help that they can now communicate over the internet, which means every person who has the potential to be the village idiot almost inevitably becomes one.

[-] ganryuu@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

To add to your point, it used to be that the village idiot was just that, known for it, and shamed or shunned. Now that they can connect to other village idiots, they can find a community of like minded idiots that reinforces their beliefs.

[-] SoleInvictus 7 points 1 day ago

They should be fine anyhow if homeopathy really works. They just need to take a little train material, serially dilute it to 10⁻²⁰ strength, then take it with sugar pills. Train immunity!

[-] ganryuu@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

Are you telling me that I should have diluted some bullet material, instead of trying to start by shooting myself with a small caliber and work up my immunity from that? All this work, wasted!

[-] tomenzgg@midwest.social 16 points 2 days ago

Not homeopathy but I once saw a video where someone tried to use quantum physics to justify manifesting. Grifters gonna grift.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Meanwhile none of these people know what a probability field is, much less what the fuck makes a baryon anti-green.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

And that it's just a theory, trying to fit what we observe, just like fire, wind, earth, water and the ether back in the day, but arguably working better.

[-] hypeerror@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 days ago

Found RFK Jr's account.

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