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[-] ComfortableRaspberry@feddit.org 98 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Spouse comes from a family believing in this shit. They have a go to doctor for regular health issues (that one seems to be okay) and one for the bad issues (that's the fraud).

I'm sick for > 5 years now so I'm at the stage where I try everything if it doesn't seem to kill me so about 3 years ago I went to see him.

It was wild (quantum physics are easy to use and he heals his grandchildren in Africa regularly, pendulums and quartz stones were used, he shoved me around a few times, ...) and in the end he explained that I'm suffering from worms that can't be detected with school medicine tests. His treatment was as follows:

No alcohol and caffeine for two weeks so he can remotely undo my corona vaccine
Taking a few drops of his medicine daily so he can remotely attack the worms through this

The whole session was expensive as fuck and I had some very long talks with my spouse about this afterwards. He stopped giving money to this guy now, after the fraud doctor started to call him and say he saw that my spouse is becoming sick (fraud dr has a drop of spouse's blood and claims it changes when spouse becomes sick) and that he needs to start his remote therapy..

If you can speak German or are willing to translate: behold fraud dr website

[-] Jesus_666@lemmy.world 33 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I saw the term "bio resonance" and immediately knew that this ostensible medical practitioner couldn't get in touch with reality if they used a special reality-seeking pole constructed from a thousand dousing rods.

I used to work adjacent to the medical field, close enough to have to deal with a certain kind of medical practitioner a lot. For some reason, that part of medicine attracts people who believe in the supernatural so I'm familiar with bullshit from anthroposophy to quantum healing.

That shit gets real wild real fast. Bio resonance is already terrible (it's basically the same kind of bullshit Scientology's "E-meters" pretend to do but now as a "therapeutic" device with thirty buttons). But the worst must be quantum healing.

In quantum healing, actually seeing the patient in person is not necessary. Neither is knowing a lot about the patient. In fact, the less the practitioner knows, the better. Just give them a picture and a really vague description of the symptoms and the person (or pet; it "works" for those, too), and the practitioner will do something at some point in the future that will have some positive effect on either the person or the universe as a whole, even if it's not obvious. Source: Trust me, bro.

And they charge real money for that shit. Real medical practitioners who went to real university and have a real degree in human medicine.

Absolutely incredible.

[-] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 15 points 2 days ago

What's even wilder is, that at some point I had the "pleasure" to meet someone who was a self proclaimed "expert on radioactivity". This man walked around with a stick waving it around and then measuring radioactivity in percent. He then proceeded to bury a bowl in the field to trap all sorts of radiation in there and cleanse all radioactivity from the nearby area in it. It was god damn awful to see my parents paying actual money for this man.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 15 points 2 days ago

The no alcohol and caffeine could actually help. It's worth a shot at least if you still have ongoing issues. Not that this hack deduced anything accurately, but that probably does help a lot of people, and then he gets to take credit for it. It's cheaper than free to try, though you'll probably have some headaches for a few days if you have a bad caffeine dependence, like almost all of our society has.

[-] SippyCup@feddit.nl 18 points 2 days ago

Generally if you're talking to someone with a chronic illness, and you think you have an idea of something that might help: A, it won't, and 2, they've already tried it or C, they physically can't.

[-] sunflowercowboy@feddit.org 5 points 2 days ago

I was overweight my whole life. Never tried fasting, dieting, or exercise. Suddenly did at the age of 24 and would you look at that? Constantly doctors telling me, even my diabetes was confused which one it should be, then the life of my love appeared before me.

It's better to extend a hand of help in kindness, and possibly corrected, than it is to do nothing at all.

Assumptivity only helps those who have been helped.

[-] SippyCup@feddit.nl 6 points 1 day ago

My guy, being fat is not the same as having a hard to pin down chronic illness.

I say this as a guy who does not remember a day where I wasn't concerned about my weight, who only recently managed to drop from obese to over weight. You can fix being fat. You can fix fat with diet and exercise. You can't fix "maybe lupus? Maybe MCTD? I dunno it's probably autoimmune? We're going to need to order more tests" with diet, exercise, magic crystals, or whatever other random bullshit people like to suggest.

[-] sunflowercowboy@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago

My point exactly, something I could control easily and not a single action.

Diet and exercise normally isnt done to fix issues but to dilute them. You can only ever do so much. People cannot know all, next best they offer a gentle suggestion and just know they wish you longer health.

Then again diabetes and the complications thereof do not seem like chronic conditions to you.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago

Sure, it probably won't work, but it can literally do nothing but help. Even if it doesn't help with the specific issue they're talking about, maybe the figure out it helps with something else. Getting off harmful drugs often has beneficial effects. (I'm a caffeine and alcohol user too. This isn't me looking down on anyone.)

[-] SippyCup@feddit.nl 3 points 1 day ago

Seriously, just, no.

Because not only all of that other stuff, but you're also extremely unlikely to be the first person to suggest it.

A buddy of mine is constantly being told she just needs to go out and exercise a little more, or take this supplement or that supplement, or see a fucking chiropractor. She has been for as long as I've known her. She doesn't remember the last time she heard something unique. Though the number times she's been told to just get a spinal adjustment for an autoimmune disease is frightening.

[-] sqgl@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago

Avoid the headaches by titrating off the caffeine.

[-] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

wow and in Germany too. You would think a good level of nation-wide education would solve such problems. seems like not.

[-] nightlily@leminal.space 10 points 2 days ago

“Best” part of this is that our public health insurance pays out for this nonsense. Some providers allow you to opt out but I don’t think the majority of Germans bother.