"We only hire slave labor here. You aren't nearly subservient enough for the honor."
God I hope he knows he ended up on LinkedIn lunatics
You think people like this have enough self-awareness to be ashamed?
Not inherently, but I'd hope that a public mocking would still cause a reaction
Founder/CEO/Designer - Micro...
Unless that ends in "soft" you're a failure and you're trying to bring everyone else down with you.
If it is "soft", you're a known pedophile and you should be in prison.
We all know it's not MicroSoft but rather MicroPenis1
The guy can't even start his sentences with a capital letter. And you're supposed to take him serious as a CEO?
"Sorry I'm not even interested. You behave like a child, don't understand life and clearly treat your employees like shit."
Begin banana metaphor.
Bananas are great. If I ate a healthy amount of bananas a week, I'd be happy with my banana consumption. I'd enjoy bananas.
However, if I ate a lot of bananas each week, let's say 80 🍌/week (that's 16 bananas a day, from Monday to Friday!), I would HATE bananas, regardless of how much I previously enjoyed them. With so many bananas a week, I'd probably suffer from malnutrition and related health problems.
End banana metaphor.
I don't think it's possible to be happy when working 80+ hours a week, even if it's something you used to enjoy. "The dose makes the poison."
That's because workaholics think they're normal and everyone else is lazy. In reality they usually either trying to hide from something in their personal life, or they really are just that boring of a person that they can't think of anything better to do than work.
This is not the same as being passionate, since that usually involves doing something for yourself rather than for another persons business.
I used to be a software developer and I enjoyed being a software developer, but I honestly couldn't give a crap about the proprietary accounting system or whatever it was that we were developing for the client. That stuff was hella boring
Exactly, loving your job doesn't prevent burnout. No matter how much you love it, if you are doing actual work (not some exec shitposting on linkedin all day) then past a certain point your body/mind will just get too tired to function well.
I genuinely love my job. I would do it for free if I could afford to. I sometimes (especially lately) work well over 60 hours a week. But I need to be careful about how much OT I let myself put in because I will burn out. I know that when I push myself too hard I will eventually start fucking up. I will start missing obvious things. I will start making stupid mistakes. With my job I am also far more likely to seriously injure myself when burned out. Allowing myself to become burned out results in worse outcomes for the customers and costs my company more money. Not to mention that if I did injure myself badly enough to be out of work then all those extra hours I put in would be outweighed be the time I miss.
A good manager recognizes that a burned out employee does more harm than good and works to prevent it. A good manager knows that keeping their employees happy, well rested, and fulfilled is in the company's best interest. Sometimes demands pop up that will require a bit of burn out to deal with but the benefit of meeting those demands needs to be weighed against the harm of that burnout. Shitty managers always severely underestimate the harm burnout causes not just to their employees but also to the company.
I don’t think it’s possible to be happy when working 80+ hours a week
I think there's a certain element of "do what you love and you'll never work a day in your life" in this.
If you're really deeply invested in a project and doing it brings you joy, then you very well might find yourself investing every waking moment working on it.
But that's not a "job", that's a "passion". You typically don't get to pursue your passions unless you already have a big passive income or a sugar daddy willing to cover your expenses.
Imagine being psychotic enough to brag about this.
"They are not glorious enough to work for my wonderful company and with my pure genius!"
It's basically the same thing that scammers do - they know they have a terrible approach, but that's fine because they are only looking for the easy marks who are too oblivious to sense anything is wrong.
This CEO is preventing anyone with self preservation or a sense of actual industry norms from applying, increasing the proportion of aps from the gullible.
"love the uncertainty"
Yeah, nothing like insecurity. Everyone fucking loves the shit outta that fucking shit! Gimme it all. I want nerve wracking, potential poverty around every corner. That's the ticket!
Seriously though, WTF is wrong with this person?
They believe the bullshit they have been fed.
I didn't read the entire message but I think the response is simple:
"That is all well and good, but come IPO time, it is you, not me, who is getting paid. Make this a co-operative or give every employee a reasonable percentage of the company, and we can all decide if your idea is worth the risk."
You get this with startups. There's always some pillock who reckons that just because your employee number 17 means that somehow you should be as invested as they are despite the fact that you're getting the wage you're getting regardless. If you weren't a founding member, then it's just a job.
Sure if they do really well as a company maybe you could ask for a raise, but it's not a guarantee and it's not directly mapped to the company's success, so who cares.
If you ever work for a startup in the software industry make sure the base salary is good, because there's no guarantee that any shares in the businesses will ever be worth the paper they're written on. If the company does well, then great, but if it doesn't you still need to have been compensated for your time, after all it's not your fault that subscription-based water fountains didn't catch on.
Entrepreneur brain, stage 4, terminal
Tar and feathers… some ‘CEO’ make me to think about that old tradition.
My husband is at the point of his career where he seeks out startups because he like passion projects. He's actually worked for several that have become huge multibillion dollar companies
The look on his face rn as i read this out to him is hilarious
Any stories ? I'd love to hear
A simple "we are going a different direction" would have been enough. Fuck this CEO and cue* the Mario Bros theme!
*thanks, citizen Train.
queue
Actually in this case "cue" is the correct form of the word. It's reference to cue sheets for plays
Fixed, just for you, big boy!
DO THE MARIO
*cue, as in “this was her cue to step onto the theater stage”
And how much equity are you providing for this role
We haven't figured out the details yet but we're passionate about our business family and we're sure we'll have good news for you at ~~Christmas~~ ~~Easter~~ ~~The New Year~~ ~~The next AGM~~ hey wait why are you leaving what about those shares? We've nearly sorted out the details!
It's weird how he states it so plainly, yet people misunderstand it. It's not for everyone. Some people specifically are willing to work at an unstable startup company, and can commit long hours in exchange for ownership of the company. They get a big reward if things go well. If the company just paid a paycheck, that would be exploitative. he's not talking about a shitty job where you're asked to work long hours because some rich assholes need line to go up. It's totally valid to want just a stable job where you go in, do your fucking job, then go home, and get paid, then live your passions outside of work. Get that work/life balance, that should be your choice. This guy is not talking about that kind of job. You guys are a bit too extreme, it can be fulfilling to work hard and get rewarded, just because you had a bad experience working for an exploitative big company doesn't mean all work is like that. If you have a lot of shares, then you're part owner. If they don't offer equity then fuck that, they can't expect anyone to put up with long hours, and what kind of cuck would get enjoyment about making other people rich?
RUN!!!! To the closest golf course, that new CEO is probably there and just walk up to them and say “fuck you and “your company” I am out!” Then yell to the people around them to not give money to him… “he’s a grifter who is exploiting workers so he can play golf with you!”
If you want to hurt him, say something along the line: "The product doesn't work and most of the code is plagiarized". Something that implies that the company is about to hit a rough patch. Something that suggests that investors shouldn't invest, lest they lose their money.
Seems like the worst of hustle culture to be honest.
HATE. UNBRIDLED HATE. NO FATE IS TOO BAD FOR THIS SCUM. REEE
I feel like anyone who says they love their work so much it doesn't feel like work just doesn't have an actual life that they like to live so work just beats out not working everytime.
I mean there is people who work for organizations like Doctors without Borders. Being deployed in a zone of natural disaster or war, they probably rack up 60+ hours a week easily. However their pay is much smaller than what they could get in the "market". Turns out people can love their job, if it does something meaningful, rather than make some rich people more rich.
Only time I would work these kind of positions is when I truly enjoy the job, believe it can succeed AND shares of the company I don't have to buy. If i wanted extra hours and bad supervisors I could go back into the trades
I wish someone wrote a "How to run a company ethically for dummies" book.
Because I want one
If you work 80+h and it doesn't feel like work, then maybe playing golf and eating out doesn't magically turn into work just because you write it off as work expenses.
"We will exploit you from the very beginning."
Props to that CEO for being open! I'm sure all the other people pressured to work long hours there are compensated as highly as him and there's no wage theft complaints with the Department Of Labor, right...?
Every year, we do an employee survey to see how management is doing; like a report card for management. In the last 3 years, mine has come back with the highest company scores for employee engagement, job satisfaction, and project completion rate. I was asked to give a presentation to the other officers and managers about things I do to get those scores.
The presentation was basically one slide that I expanded to 10. It came down to creating the expectation, for the folks who report to me, that a work week is 37.5 hours (our full-time week) and no more. I make it clear that if my team is working overtime, I've failed. If that happens, together we look at their project commitments and reduce the workload, or get training, or whatever is needed.
Working folks to the point of burnout is NEVER a valid solution. Respecting personal time pays dividends to everyone. It's amazing how treating people like adults makes them happier and more productive. It's such a low bar and yet seems so foreign to people.
After my presentation, multiple execs argued thar I'd get more done if I pushed my team harder. Our company President pulled up all of our project completion rates, and asked them to explain the discrepancy. The three who complained the most about my approach were in the bottom five.
Data continually shows people are happy when they have a solid, predictable, work life balance. Happy people are more productive and are willing to do more in the long run. And they stick around, so you don't have to keep looking for new employees. Everyone wins. Yet, there is such a resistance to it by certain people, and I don't understand why.
Tldr: Expecting your people to give up their personal life for work, it's a clear sign that you are a terrible leader.
It sounds exploitative because it is exploitative!
"I work 80 hrs for my own business and I expect everyone else to do so...on a regular salary"
I mean, the douchebag CEO isn't exactly wrong.
I myself very much want a good work-life balance, therefore I do not apply for jobs to be one of the first ten people working for a CEO that thinks they're going to change the world.
He did a big favor for that candidate by not hitting him.
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