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[-] Uruanna@lemmy.world 165 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Ennigaldi-Nanna lived in the mid 6th c. BCE, she was the daughter of Nabonidus, last king of the Neo-Babylonian empire just before Cyrus steamrolled through the whole place. She was the high priestess of Ur - and the first museum curator in History. Her dad, like many other kings between Sumer and Babylon, went around rebuilding temples that were up to 1500 years old in his time, but he picked up more stuff to bring back home.

Ennigaldi-Nanna built herself a special room with shelves where she lined up objects that were dated between 1400 and 2000 BCE, having them cleaned and restored, and she placed clay tablets next to them to explain what they were, where they came from, who made them. In three languages. In a room open to the public.

It's believed that she was present on sites when those objects were picked up. Some of those were from Ur, the city of her temple - her position as high priestess in that temple had been abandonned for a few hundred years before her temple was restored (because her dad was a big fan of the Moon god Nanna and this was his main temple for over a thousand years), so she may have just needed to look around and pick a shovel and a good brush. Nabonidus is also considered "the first serious archaeologist", antiquarian and antique restorer.

Some of the artifacts from Sumer and Babylon that are most famous today, oldest and best preserved, come from that museum. We found a 2500 year old museum, and we put it in a museum.

[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 25 points 2 months ago

Is Ennigalda any relation to Inagadda-Davida?

[-] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

No. That song name comes from one band member trying to say "In ~~a garden of life~~ the garden of Eden" while being ~~high~~ drunk as fuck. Then the name stuck.

EDIT: thanks for the correction. While checking, I also saw that he was drunk, not high.

[-] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 9 points 2 months ago

*"In the garden of Eden"

[-] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 7 points 2 months ago

Thanks, now I have a 17 minute song stuck in my head.

[-] Jikiya@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

Did England put the museum-museum in a museum?

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[-] TaeKwonDoh@lemmy.world 59 points 2 months ago

And then we have the Epic of Gilgamesh, a 6,000 year old story that reminisces about times long past.

[-] smeenz@lemmy.nz 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

... and Dinosaurs ruled the earth for about 165 million years and even that is only 3% of the time our planet has been around.

Modern man, including the writers of Gilgamesh, are but a fleeting speck on the history of life on this planet.

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[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 52 points 2 months ago

I remember a Hardcore History episode where he talks about how in the time of the Assyrian empire, it was known even then that the world was ancient, filled with individual civilisations that saw themselves as the centre of the world and would marvel at the ignorance of being lumped in together with equally self-possessed civilisations by the historians who write of them only in passing with incomplete sources.

I might have a bit of that wrong, I just woke up and it's been almost a decade since I listened to it. But the part that stuck with me was the idea that even to people we see as deeply ancient, they too had an apprehension that human history is no spring chicken.

And yet, compared with the span of time claimed by the ages of the dinosaurs, humanity has barely existed long enough to clear its throat and introduce itself. And in that time we have been imperiled very often.

I was intrigued to hear that the Toba catastrophe hypothesis may be discredited. I enjoy the idea that 200,000 years ago we may have had as few as 10,000 individuals. It must have been a peaceful time...

[-] Overconfidentiality 5 points 2 months ago

Ah ty for the reminder, I'm surely a few episodes behind on Hardcore History. Also, <3 your name

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

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[-] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 2 months ago

The oldest recorded song in history starts with "in those ancient times". Tale of Gilgamesh IIRC

[-] Uruanna@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago

A few poems written in Sumerian times, around 2100 BCE, have this starting line or similar (in those far remote times, in those days when heaven and earth were created...). The instructions of Shuruppak, Gilgamesh, Enkidu and the Netherworld (not actually part of the compiled Epic), Enki and Ninmah, the Flood part of the Gilgamesh Epic...

[-] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 months ago

Myths always take place back a long time ago.

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[-] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 37 points 2 months ago

I've read that their governance was geared towards stability, not growth or disruption. It helps with keeping things going for a long time.

[-] pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 34 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I've read that their governance was geared towards stability, not growth or disruption. It helps with keeping things going for a long time.

I'm confused. How could their leaders earn a big enough quarterly bonus to blow on cocaine?

Edit: This might be something modern government models could adapt and use, to everyone's benefit... If we can just crack the cocaine challenges with it.

I think I'm joking, except I can't stop thinking about how a universal basic cocaine subsidy might actually be what is needed to convince a bunch of problematic leaders to retire...

[-] sturger@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago

I suspect it's unbridled psychopathic greed that's the problem.

[-] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago

That still doesn't answer whether a universal basic cocaine subsidy would solve the problem.

[-] marcos@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Cocaine is actually quite cheap to make...

[-] hansolo@lemmy.today 36 points 2 months ago

Also crazy is that the thing that brought down the Old Kingdom around 2180 BCE, after nearly a millennia in power, was a megadrought thanks to a climatic change. It took them about 140 years to reboot things into the Middle Kingdom.

[-] Fleur_@aussie.zone 25 points 2 months ago

Being in the same place doesn't make it the same civilisation. Cleopatra was more similar to the ancient Greeks than the ancient Egyptians

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago

An unbroken span of time with the same name and identity makes it the same civilization. It isn't like countries stopped being themselves due to an industrial revolution.

[-] Fleur_@aussie.zone 5 points 1 month ago

The ruling class in Egypt spoke Greek in Cleopatra's time

[-] DistrictSIX@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 month ago

That's a very particular and odd view of what a civilisation is. By this logic, there are no inheritors to ancient Egypt at all since even the current inhabitants speak Arabic and not ancient Egyptian. In fact, Ancient Egyptian had already developed into Demotic Egyptian by the time of Cleopatra, and Demotic in itself was heavily influenced by Aramaic and, you guessed it, Greek. It's fairly common for language to develop and change throughout the history of old civilisations, and in that process, be influenced by the major civilisations of the time. Cleopatra speaking Greek doesn't make her not Egyptian, it just means that the Greeks were the dominant civilisation in her region during her lifetime. A thousad years later she'd be speaking Arabic, which still wouldn't make her not Egyptian.

[-] Fleur_@aussie.zone 3 points 1 month ago

Yeah no shit there are no inheritors of ancient Egypt who the fuck nowadays shares Egyptian culture? No one is building pyramids, writing in hiroglyphs or talking the language. You gonna tell me Italy is the roman empire next?

[-] DistrictSIX@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 month ago

I know it's sometimes hard for Aussies to imagine history beyond 300 years back as being relevant to your national identity. But that's just because it'd make you face the fact that your nation is built upon the ruins of a civilisation you feel zero connection to, because of you know, you being colonial settlers and them being the indigenous people you tried (and still try) to eradicate. In Egypt, and indeed in Italy, Greece, Iran, China, India and so on, people don't viscerally hate what came before them wanting to just forget them. They do often feel as the inheritors of those ancient civilizations, and have incorporated them into their own national identity. So yes, Italians do feel like the inheritors to the ancient Romans, just ask an Italian.

[-] Impassionata@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

I know it’s sometimes hard for Aussies to imagine history beyond 300 years back as being relevant to your national identity.

also shut the fuck up you smug fuckhead

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[-] ganryuu@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago

I mean, early 19th century Russian nobility spoke more French than Russian, does that mean they suddenly were another civilization?

[-] Fleur_@aussie.zone 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Ehhh my comments was meant to point out that Egypt was far from an "unbroken span of time with the same name and identity." The region was conquered multiple times with numerous fractures and centralisations happening. Cleopatra didn't feel a need to construct a pyramid tomb for herself for example, that culture has died off and been replaced .

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[-] foggianism@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago

Want yet another fun fact? All the most famous egyptian pyramids were built in a span of 100 years or so.

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

They blew their retirement savings and their heirs couldn't afford to build more!

[-] marcos@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Pyramid building was serious society-stabilizing policy, not government-breaking waste.

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[-] kromem@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago

Yes. Ramses II's son "found in Thebes" (Khaemweset) was known and recorded for his passion in archeological study and restoration, and has been called the "first Egyptologist."

[-] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 months ago
[-] MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago

What's his job during winter?

[-] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 months ago

College professor. 90% of all archeology is done in your local papyrus repository.

[-] Brutticus@midwest.social 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I think its interesting that we are also very biased towards long lasting societies, because they leave more stuff for us to study, and literate ones, because they can tell us with their own words what events there were. We still dont have a complete picture of the battle of Cannae, one of the consequential in all of history, whose effects we are still living with. Writing was only invented 4500ish years ago, and humans are as a species are way way older.

Its fucked up to think about Catal Hayuk, or Utsie.

[-] squaresinger@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

It's also interesting how short these time frames actually are. 2000 years are just 80 generations.

All but the most important bullet points of history from that time is wiped out.

And our intuitive understanding "how the past was" is just from maybe 4-5 generations ago.

The past is a vast place and we only ever scratch the very surface of it.

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago

No one even really knows what their great grandparents were like, unless they were famous or something. I have no idea who my great, great grandfather even was. It stops in 1872

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[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago
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[-] Zink@programming.dev 3 points 1 month ago

The people and/or sentient crabs that study us in thousands of years are going to have WAY crazier things to think about than how ancient the pyramids were to us.

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