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[-] Pogogunner@sopuli.xyz 140 points 3 months ago

Only corporate executives benefit from AI.

Everyone else is harmed, both directly and indirectly, and it makes the customer experience far worse because workers are replaced by chatbots that are incapable of understanding.

From what I've seen, the only people that have a positive view of AI are those who see themselves as the master of others. The trans, nonbinary, & disabled people in this study are very unlikely to fit that mold.

[-] Honytawk@feddit.nl 6 points 3 months ago

Plenty of non-chatbots applications that do help the regular user though. Even if most of it is corporate bullshit, some of it isn't.

Like for example VLC using it for subtitles on any video you have, in any language you want and automatically synced correctly. That they hallucinate a couple of times doesn't really matter in that context.

[-] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 88 points 3 months ago

God, the number of people here who don't know what "more likely" means is insane. Just because you aren't trans, enby or disabled doesn't mean the study is bullshit because you hate AI. It means that if you walk up to a random person and ask them about AI, they're more likely to hate it if they exist in one of those groups.

Secondly, studies like this have value because they can clue people into issues that a community is having. If everyone is neutral about a thing, except for disabled people (who hate it), then maybe that means that the thing is having a disproportionately negative impact on disabled people. Studies like this are not unlike saying "hey, there's smoke over there, there might be a fire."

[-] paultimate14@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

The thing is, EVERYONE hates AI except for a very small number of executives and the few tech people who are falling for the bullshit the same way so many fell for crypto.

It's like saying a survey indicates that trans people are more likely to hate American ISP's. Everyone hates them and trans people are underrepresented in the population of ISP shareholders and executives. It doesn't say anything about the trans community. It doesn't provide any actionable or useful information.

It's stating something uninteresting but applying a coat of rainbow paint to try to get clicks and engagement.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 63 points 3 months ago

You might be living in an echo chamber. Most Americans use AI at least sometimes and plenty use it regularly according to studies.

[-] paultimate14@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

We could argue all day over who is experiencing reality or who is in an echo chamber.

Pew Research found that US adults who are not "AI Experts" are more likely to view AI as negative and harmful.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 30 points 3 months ago

We could argue all day over who is experiencing reality or who is in an echo chamber.

We could, or you could read the article where it addresses exactly that point. Most demographics are slightly positive on AI, with some neutral and only nonbinary people as slightly negative. The representative US sample is at 4.5/7.

[-] paultimate14@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

https://fedia.io/m/technology@lemmy.world/t/2531490/-/comment/11832636

You might be living in an echo chamber. Most Americans use AI at least sometimes and plenty use it regularly according to studies.

You literally are right here accusing me of being in an echo chamber for thinking Americans view AI negatively, then when I back that up with a source you are now... Claiming that the article says that.

Except that the whole "most demographics are positive on AI" piece that you toss in counters your own countering of my disagreement. You're talking in circles here.

It's also worth noting this article is using a sample size of 700 and doesn't go all that heavily into the methodology. The author describes themself as a "social computing scholar" and states that they purposefully oversampled these minority groups.

The conclusion is nothing but wasted time and clicks. You're in this thread telling people to "read the article" and I'm in here to warn people that it's not worth their time to do so.

And this is part of a trend I've noticed on Lemmy lately: people posting obviously bad articles, users commenting that the articles are bad, and usually about 3-4 other users in the comments arguing and trying to drive more engagement to the article. More clicks, more ad revenue.

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[-] PunnyName@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

No, it's interesting.

[-] missingno@fedia.io 8 points 3 months ago

The average person is not informed enough to even be aware of the problems with AI. Look at how aggressively AI is being marketed, and realize that this marketing works.

[-] svcg 62 points 3 months ago

Roughly 50% of transgender and/or non-binary people are software developers and roughly 50% are furry artists, so it makes sense we would be more wary of AI.

I use arch, btw.

[-] Sasha 17 points 3 months ago

Trans nonby software dev who dated a furry artist, my disdain for AI knows no limits.

I use Nobara, btw. (Is Arch good I've never looked into it)

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[-] archchan@lemmy.ml 52 points 3 months ago

In the words of Miyazaki:

Whoever creates this stuff has no idea what pain is whatsoever. I am utterly disgusted. If you really want to make creepy stuff, you can go ahead and do it. I would never wish to incorporate this technology into my work at all. I strongly feel that this is an insult to life itself.

[-] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 3 months ago

It's mathematically an insult to life itself. It changes evolution in human societies to reduce dissent and diversity of thought. And evolution is important in the sense that to stay on one place you have to run very fast.

So it's sort of a tool for regress. Honestly - similar to the Web itself. It was intended as a hypertext system for scientists. For social interaction there were e-mail and e-news.

I'm thinking - I thought always that Sun is a very cool company, but at the same time they are also the ones who've popularized this messy understanding of the future in which, with some commercial adjustments by today's big tech, we still live. And that understanding was highly centralist, sort of a digital empire.

[-] andros_rex@lemmy.world 48 points 3 months ago

Knowledge based fields were historically a “safe space” for queer and disabled people. If you are just super fucking smart and could be a wizard in a programming language, or were a genius physicist, you could get to the point where you were too valuable to fire for being trans or disabled. I may be trans and an unperson in the place I live, but I can do calculus, and there’s no way they can take that away from me.

There’s an attack on knowledge itself going on right now. A desire by the rich to control information. They want to force us into an unreality where skill and knowledge are meaningless. This hurts people who are socially marginalized, because it takes away one of our few paths for economic survival.

It goes with the attacks on DEI. What they want is a tool that can replace the need for talent, so that they can select who gets to have jobs. They want all jobs to be Graeber’s “bullshit jobs” so that skill is meaningless and they can allot them out to the people they think “deserve” them.

[-] Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 3 months ago

outliers badly served by advanced averaging machine

Who knew

[-] kibiz0r@midwest.social 37 points 3 months ago

These findings are consistent with a growing body of research showing how AI systems often misclassifyperpetuate discrimination toward or otherwise harmtrans and disabled people. In particular, identities that defy categorization clash with AI systems that are inherently designed to reduce complexity into rigid categories. In doing so, AI systems simplify identities and can replicate and reinforce bias and discrimination – and people notice.

Makes sense.

These systems exist to sand off the rough edges of real life artifacts and interactions, and these are people who’ve spent their whole lives being treated like an imperfection that just needs to be smoothed out.

Why would you not be wary?

[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 34 points 3 months ago

Opposed people, or today who know what it's like to be oppressed, are more likely to recognize oppression.

AI is going to fuck us all at this rate. It's already begun. People are losing their jobs.

[-] mycelium_underground@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

Losing jobs is just the tip of the iceberg, individualized, friendly mass manipulation is where the shit hits the fan in a whole new way

[-] tanisnikana@lemmy.world 32 points 3 months ago

Trans lady here, appalled by AI! A lot of the middle management I work with are eager for it, and since I work in M365 administration, my boss keeps compelling me to flip the CoPilot switch to “on” for people.

I hate it.

[-] thedruid@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago

What kinda bullshit narrative is this?

[-] Sertou@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago

That's fair, because AI is biased against them.

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[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

That's because they're all on lemmy

[-] poke@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 months ago

I wonder if the correlation is that these groups tend to be more informed.

[-] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 months ago

No, it's that AI has a white male bias.

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[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

AI is the new crypto by the ceos and c-suites, sorry but theres no market for it for a regular customer base, and they admitted its costing them alot more money using AI than actually saving or even profitting from it. its actually no wonder the people who fall for AI /crypto are mostly conservatives.

[-] Honytawk@feddit.nl 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It has a market for a regular customer base. But they try to shove it down everything just to see what sticks, and most of those things are useless at best or actively making the product worse.

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[-] Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 months ago

Smart bunch it would seem.

Fuck AI

[-] roofuskit@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

Oppressed people don't like the walled garden information tools made and profited from by the people using them as a scapegoat distraction for their fleecing of society?

[-] Lumidaub@feddit.org 11 points 3 months ago

ITT: "this study doesn't say anything interesting about ME, it must be bullshit!!"

[-] morto@piefed.social 11 points 3 months ago

That's interesting. I feel like a lone voice in my university, trying to explain to people that using LLMs to do research tasks isn't a good idea for several reasons, but I'd never imagine that being disabled would put me into a group more likely to think like that. If I had to guess, I'd suggest that there's possibly a strong network effect being abused in our social environment to make people get into the AI hype, and we, the ones who live less connected to the "standard" social norms, tend to become less vulnerable to it.

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It may also be that disabled, transgender and nonbinary people are more aware of:

  1. The use of AI to reduce people's employment opportunities, which are already tough enough for people in these groups.
  2. The tendency of AI to reproduce the prejudices present in its training materials. If everyone's relying on AI then historical prejudices are going to be perpetuated just because LLMs are regurgitation machines.
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[-] db2@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

I'm none of those things and so-called AI is utter shit.

[-] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 7 points 3 months ago
[-] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 months ago

Sounds like confirmarion bias.
I'd like to know the industry sector they are working in.
I'd say a high amount of them work in Tech and IT.

[-] SoleInvictus 6 points 3 months ago

Disabled, vehemently anti-AI enby here. The only thing I'm good at professionally is being a great big brain, so taking knowledge work away from me makes me angry.

[-] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Same way the other way around. Remember when grok went full mechahitler?

[-] Psythik@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Well that explains a lot about Lemmy's strong dislike for AI with a burning passion.

[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago

Why the FUCK do we need to start splintering this with identity politics? Seriously name one good reason why this isn’t a distraction from the class war. Just one.

[-] NoodlePoint@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

Because some are artisans and see that their work is being pillaged for AI "training".

[-] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 months ago

it's because we actually listened to the plot of the matrix

[-] Curious_Canid@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 months ago

Actual computer scientists should also be included with those groups.

[-] itslilith 4 points 3 months ago
[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

Hi. Haven't read the article. Straight middle aged white guy here. I too also view AI negatively.

If trans, nonbinary, or disabled people view AI negatively, it's not because they're trans, nonbinary or disabled. It's because AI is terrible, and threatens (and already is proving to) make all of our lives terrible for the sole sake of giving billionaires a few extra pennies.

Though I will say, if trans, nonbinary and disabled people have any extra issues with AI making their life specifically worse, that's not caused by AI itself. It's caused by the wealthy CHOOSING to use AI to make their lives worse.

This doesn't need to happen. None of this needs to happen. Google doesn't need entire campuses dedicated to AI with special power requirements. This is all bullshit.

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 months ago

The survey discovered that people in those groups are more likely to view AI negatively than those in other groups.

If trans, nonbinary, or disabled people view AI negatively, it’s not because they’re trans, nonbinary or disabled. It’s because AI is terrible, and threatens (and already is proving to) make all of our lives terrible for the sole sake of giving billionaires a few extra pennies.

People in these groups may have different or additional reasons for viewing AI negatively that are not common to other groups. It's a question for further research why they tend to view AI more negatively. It might very well be because they're trans, nonbinary or disabled - perhaps for conscious reasons or perhaps because of other factors. The survey shows that there are more questions to be asked and that it would be worth paying attention to the experiences of these groups.

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