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[-] yesman@lemmy.world 89 points 2 months ago

It's always lovely to be reminded that eugenics remains a popular idea so long as you don't call it that.

[-] kerrigan778 50 points 2 months ago

I mean, this is a good idea for a big reason other than genes though, people who are currently addicted to meth shouldn't be having kids, not from a gene perspective but as an unfit parent and as an unsafe pregnancy standpoint.

[-] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 19 points 2 months ago

While I agree with you, the problem is, that it opens the door for a lot of other forms of eugenics. Once we decided that Meth users shouldn't have kids we can quickly expand the definition of who is "allowed to have kids". People who take LSD? Those psychopaths. Stoners? Homeless people? Black people?

It gives a certain group of people power over one of the most intimate secsectors of someone's private life. No one can guarantee, that at some point we are not the ones being included in the definition of "unfit for parenting" simply because we have the wrong political views or something like that.

[-] jsomae@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This is only because the word "eugenics" has been made a bad word because people assume that anything called "eugenics" must be similar to the horrible things the Nazis did. It's the non-central fallacy -- such things are eugenics only in the same way that Martin Luther king is technically a criminal (he did violate the law by protesting) or abortion is murder (a "human being" does "die").

Polygenic scoring on embryos is legal and eminently doable if you're wealthy enough to afford it; it's a very effective way to eliminate the risk of debilitating genetic diseases like Down's Syndrome, and can greatly reduce the risk of things like Alzheimer's or some types of cancer. It also can improve the IQ of your child by up to ~8 points or so, which correlates (plausibly causally) with higher education and income in life. So basically, it's an effective way to help make your child more privileged. Right now it's only affordable by the very wealthy though, but perhaps in ten years it will be very cheap.

Notice though that it's unrelated to race pseudoscience and murder, even though race pseudoscientists and nazis like to talk about genetics and IQ.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 11 points 2 months ago

I mean we do take kids off crackheads. Repeatedly in some cases.

[-] atomicorange@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Looks like it’s time to reinvent the Torment Nexus from famed science fiction novel “Don’t Invent The Torment Nexus”. Maybe it will go well this time!

[-] kameecoding@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Not eugenics though, if anything it's a rather leftist stance that accepts that you can't control what people put in their body, but tries to mitigates harm for those who have no choice.

[-] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago

Controlling which people are allowed to reproduce is eugenics.

[-] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 months ago

Absolutely, and like most abhorrent evil the first step is such a positive idea you cant possibly object.

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[-] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I get why you think that, but it does not say permanent.

If the birth control lasted 1-6 month to ensure active addicts would not have children, I would be kind of in favor of it. There is nothing good about a child being raised by meth addicts or taken by CPS and going through orphanages/foster care.

[-] atomicorange@lemmy.world 47 points 2 months ago

They should put meth in birth control. It would make it easier to remember to take it on time and I could call them “mommy’s pep pills” and it would be charmingly ironic because I have no children because I’m good at taking my pills on time.

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[-] hOrni@lemmy.world 46 points 2 months ago

And a dash of chilli powder. I'm currently watching Breaking Bad for the first time.

[-] SillyDude@lemmy.zip 15 points 2 months ago

The episode where the kid named finger beats Walt Jr to death while Walter just sits in his cuck chair and jacks it is crazy

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[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I... don't know that heated, aerosolized birth control of any kind would... be an effective delivery mechanism...

But uh, honestly, his heart's in the right place, a child born addicted to meth is an absolute tragedy, basically just completely fucked from Day 0.

Cutting meth with BC drugs is ... probably way, way, waaaay safer than all the idiots currently cutting it with fentanyl, carfentanyl, the even stronger shit where an actual speck of sand's worth csn be the difference between a high and a completely guaranteed OD.

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[-] carotte 18 points 2 months ago

am i reading too much into a shitpost or is this essentially saying "sterilize drug users"

[-] mang0@lemmy.zip 13 points 2 months ago

Abstracting "meth users" to "drug users" is hell of a leap.

[-] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 months ago

Absolutely is. Im guessing only temporarily though. Pretty sure you can just stop taking your birth control pills and start ovulating properly again.

Seems like a pretty good idea as long as it doesn't get slippery sloped. No babies while mething about.

[-] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

I disagree with the eugenics involved here. but the real solution is free healthcare with accessible birth control.

[-] crt0o@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 months ago

Because meth heads make such responsible parents and are usually in a great position to have children

[-] carotte 7 points 2 months ago

"no no you see, in this case, eugenics is justified!"

i don’t care. it’s still wrong.

[-] crt0o@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 months ago

Eugenics would be doing this because you believe drug users have "inferior" genetics which shouldn't be allowed to propagate through the population, but this clearly isn't how the joke is meant. You get to have children once you're off the meth, thank you.

[-] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

So this is like one or two steps removed from "sterilize people with ADHD lol." Kinda like RFK's super funny "work camp" idea.

Methamphetamine is literally still prescribed for ADHD under the name Desoxyn. Not as often as Adderall (mixed amphetamine salts), etc... but it is.

[-] s@piefed.world 16 points 2 months ago

Put both in the drinking water and also put a lime in a coconut

[-] cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 months ago

What happened to pedro pascal

[-] msage@programming.dev 4 points 2 months ago

Looks more like Louis CK

[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

Birth control, like a USB thumb drive full with Asmongold videos?

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[-] Zachariah@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

it would be better to put it in church

[-] Kobibi@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 months ago

Ah yes, the answer to any social problem: eugenics

[-] emeralddawn45@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 months ago

This is not eugenics and wouldn't be permanent. People shouldn't be having unplanned pregnancies while addicted to hard drugs. If you cant stop using meth long enough to conceive then how are you gonna stop uaing meth during the pregnancy? Or once the baby is born? I have no problem with drug use and think it should be legalized but i think this would be a good concession to make if it were legalized. If you wanna have a baby just stop using meth. Otherwise go nuts.

[-] Dave2 4 points 2 months ago

I mean... some drugs (the medicine kind) are prescribed with birth control because they're bad for babies. Is meth not bad for the baby?

Also, if I may, what exactly is the criteria for something to be eugenics? I am not well informed; would, for example, not allowing people who wear black socks to have kids be eugenics?

[-] atomicorange@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Rendering people infertile (even temporarily) without their informed consent is unethical. Doing it to a class of people due to your perception that people like them shouldn’t breed is eugenics. This would qualify. The black socks thing probably would too, but it sounds ridiculous because that’s a class of people nobody would realistically target for elimination from the breeding pool.

Offering free birth control to drug users- fine! Dosing them without their consent- no bueno.

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[-] PotatoLibre@feddit.it 4 points 2 months ago

Another big reason for drug legalizing 🎖️

[-] WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 4 points 2 months ago

Imagine that... Birth control in all hard drugs.

[-] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago

they should also put it in alcohol and tobacco

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[-] Formfiller@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Put birth control in ivermectin

[-] vane@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Is that Valtteri Bottas ?

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