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[-] Formfiller@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

Put birth control in ivermectin

[-] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 14 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

So this is like one or two steps removed from "sterilize people with ADHD lol." Kinda like RFK's super funny "work camp" idea.

Methamphetamine is literally still prescribed for ADHD under the name Desoxyn. Not as often as Adderall (mixed amphetamine salts), etc... but it is.

[-] potato_wallrus@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

I'm for this, not because I think they have bad genes, but because meth heads tend to make shitty parents

[-] yesman@lemmy.world 83 points 1 day ago

It's always lovely to be reminded that eugenics remains a popular idea so long as you don't call it that.

[-] atomicorange@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Looks like it’s time to reinvent the Torment Nexus from famed science fiction novel “Don’t Invent The Torment Nexus”. Maybe it will go well this time!

[-] kerrigan778 47 points 1 day ago

I mean, this is a good idea for a big reason other than genes though, people who are currently addicted to meth shouldn't be having kids, not from a gene perspective but as an unfit parent and as an unsafe pregnancy standpoint.

[-] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 16 points 23 hours ago

While I agree with you, the problem is, that it opens the door for a lot of other forms of eugenics. Once we decided that Meth users shouldn't have kids we can quickly expand the definition of who is "allowed to have kids". People who take LSD? Those psychopaths. Stoners? Homeless people? Black people?

It gives a certain group of people power over one of the most intimate secsectors of someone's private life. No one can guarantee, that at some point we are not the ones being included in the definition of "unfit for parenting" simply because we have the wrong political views or something like that.

[-] jsomae@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

This is only because the word "eugenics" has been made a bad word because people assume that anything called "eugenics" must be similar to the horrible things the Nazis did. It's the non-central fallacy -- such things are eugenics only in the same way that Martin Luther king is technically a criminal (he did violate the law by protesting) or abortion is murder (a "human being" does "die").

Polygenic scoring on embryos is legal and eminently doable if you're wealthy enough to afford it; it's a very effective way to eliminate the risk of debilitating genetic diseases like Down's Syndrome, and can greatly reduce the risk of things like Alzheimer's or some types of cancer. It also can improve the IQ of your child by up to ~8 points or so, which correlates (plausibly causally) with higher education and income in life. So basically, it's an effective way to help make your child more privileged. Right now it's only affordable by the very wealthy though, but perhaps in ten years it will be very cheap.

Notice though that it's unrelated to race pseudoscience and murder, even though race pseudoscientists and nazis like to talk about genetics and IQ.

There are other hazards and i don't trust this society to deal with any of them in healthy ways.

[-] jsomae@lemmy.ml 1 points 17 hours ago

I don't trust society to fairly give out any kind of health-related benefit. The USA just ended PEPFAR this year, condemning millions in africa to die of easily-preventable diseases. But you don't see me protesting the very notion of medical science.

[-] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Im seconding the 'this is how you get gattaca' comment.

If i could crispr myself in my garage, there's some shit I'd absolutely do right now. Like wonder when i got a garage.

But we cannot, as a socisty, be trusted with this tech until the billionaire class are exterminated.

If you want to have it and not have a dystopian nightmare shit show, get started on hunting the filth.

[-] jsomae@lemmy.ml 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

I don't really see why billionaires change the calculus. So what if they get slightly genetically superior children? They already have everything. As much as I want to tear down billionaires, I'm more interested in seeing the lower class be elevated than I am in not letting billionaires get further ahead.

[-] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 13 hours ago

You haven't actually read/watched any of the media we're talking about here, have you?

Like, we could get the full 'echopraxia' dystopian suite if we arent careful.

And with billionaires around, we can't be.

[-] jsomae@lemmy.ml 1 points 13 hours ago

Gattaca is one of my favourite movies. Is there another thing you're talking about?

[-] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 13 hours ago

I liked the way posthuman society was portrayed in the 'firefall' novels, how fucking bleak and horrible it got, but omg.

Are you from the SF bay area? Is this the thing where you only ever got STEM education and now can't like piece of art, even a dystopian one, without trying to make it real?

[-] jsomae@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 hours ago

I'm canadian. I have heard that san fran is Canada's 4th biggest city by population or something like that, but no, I don't live there.

Something I wonder is why people treat gattaca like it's exactly and completely prescient, but at the same time have no worry at all about AI x-risks because "terminator was science fiction, so there's nothing to worry about."

[-] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 hours ago

Because ai bros aren't people anymore.

I've heard a useful explanation that a llm can't automate anything that isn't already like 95% no-human-in-the-loop already, and i find this is convincing. I think there could be a lot of humans who were already total (or very nearly) philosophical zombies; just zero critical thinking, zero interiority, zero understanding mother fuckers. Or just severed from anything important; idk. This shit must be rapturous to them.

But also that using this shit makes you stupid. Searching with it and chatting with it in particular. If thats true, something in their heads fucking d>es. Maybe it'll be recoverable when we stop subsidizing this crap and their chatbot waifu shuts down, maybe they're just soup-headed forever now. Idk.

Some combination of these things, and the aforementioned 'i read 1984 and was inspired to put cameras in your tv' bullshit literally every tech exec does compulsively.

Plus where the industry is, they're kind of jacking off to 'terminator'; they're very interested in edging skynet. One-to-many power is kind of their favorite thing.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 10 points 1 day ago

I mean we do take kids off crackheads. Repeatedly in some cases.

[-] kameecoding@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Not eugenics though, if anything it's a rather leftist stance that accepts that you can't control what people put in their body, but tries to mitigates harm for those who have no choice.

[-] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

Controlling which people are allowed to reproduce is eugenics.

[-] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago

Absolutely, and like most abhorrent evil the first step is such a positive idea you cant possibly object.

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[-] atomicorange@lemmy.world 43 points 1 day ago

They should put meth in birth control. It would make it easier to remember to take it on time and I could call them “mommy’s pep pills” and it would be charmingly ironic because I have no children because I’m good at taking my pills on time.

[-] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

my antidepressant is apparently really damn addictive, I forgot to take them for a week with no issues. Honestly I felt better. No idea why I didn't have any withdrawals 🤷‍♀️

I do imagine meth is slightly more impactful though

[-] hOrni@lemmy.world 44 points 1 day ago

And a dash of chilli powder. I'm currently watching Breaking Bad for the first time.

[-] SillyDude@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 day ago

The episode where the kid named finger beats Walt Jr to death while Walter just sits in his cuck chair and jacks it is crazy

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[-] devilish666@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago

Nah... just give it dash of ULTRA STRONG DOSE VIAGRA (or equivalent to it)

[-] Jiggle_Physics@sh.itjust.works 2 points 16 hours ago

I mean, meth is already a powerful aphrodisiac

[-] carotte 18 points 1 day ago

am i reading too much into a shitpost or is this essentially saying "sterilize drug users"

I disagree with the eugenics involved here. but the real solution is free healthcare with accessible birth control.

[-] mang0@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 day ago

Abstracting "meth users" to "drug users" is hell of a leap.

[-] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago

Absolutely is. Im guessing only temporarily though. Pretty sure you can just stop taking your birth control pills and start ovulating properly again.

Seems like a pretty good idea as long as it doesn't get slippery sloped. No babies while mething about.

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[-] s@piefed.world 15 points 1 day ago

Put both in the drinking water and also put a lime in a coconut

[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I... don't know that heated, aerosolized birth control of any kind would... be an effective delivery mechanism...

But uh, honestly, his heart's in the right place, a child born addicted to meth is an absolute tragedy, basically just completely fucked from Day 0.

Cutting meth with BC drugs is ... probably way, way, waaaay safer than all the idiots currently cutting it with fentanyl, carfentanyl, the even stronger shit where an actual speck of sand's worth csn be the difference between a high and a completely guaranteed OD.

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[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

Birth control, like a USB thumb drive full with Asmongold videos?

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[-] cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 day ago

What happened to pedro pascal

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[-] Kobibi@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago

Ah yes, the answer to any social problem: eugenics

[-] emeralddawn45@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 day ago

This is not eugenics and wouldn't be permanent. People shouldn't be having unplanned pregnancies while addicted to hard drugs. If you cant stop using meth long enough to conceive then how are you gonna stop uaing meth during the pregnancy? Or once the baby is born? I have no problem with drug use and think it should be legalized but i think this would be a good concession to make if it were legalized. If you wanna have a baby just stop using meth. Otherwise go nuts.

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