Buttigieg is one of the best politicians America has right now.
Him growing a beard is a completely different thing from known bitch Ted Cruz growing one.
I mean, that's a really low bar. I like Pete, and I would certainly vote for him instead of just about anyone in any position of government. But I do think our standards have been lowered to the point where "not a nazi shitbag" is going to put him in the upper echelon.
But I do think our standards have been lowered to the point where “not a nazi shitbag” is going to put him in the upper echelon.
I agree, but in many places lesser evil is the best we can do. I think if one lives in a red state then we need to vote as much as we can to minimize harm. If we live in a blue state we need to vote for the most progressive dem in primaries to start the shift away from corporate dems. In pretty much every election from the last 30 years non voting has been the biggest voter block.
Protesting is important too, but we need to follow up the energy and vote as well. Otherwise we are saying that we care a lot about something, but not enough to go all the way with our complaint.
I'm with you completely, I'm just feeling grumpy today.
Fair enough
Pete isnt a low standard. Hes would be a good candidate in pretty much any country.
So was Obama, who led us directly to Trump. At some point, Democrats have to actually stand for something more than mere competence and being the lesser evil.
You act like biden had no policy but stood on many issues. Even if we just look at the policy he passed he stood for a lot. If we expand to the policy he tried to pass he stood for even more.
He had real solutions to the problems, they were boring and bureaucratic but thats whats required. Putting a freeze on rent isnt going to fix house prices or cost of living. Only investment will fix that.
All of politics is a compromise. You can't actually accomplish anything if you have a dogmatic approach to it. That's why Sanders, who I very nearly wholeheartedly support, is so rarely able to actually get anything done. And bless him for it!, he's the moral compass we need! But to get things done, politicians need to make deals, sometimes with shitty people.
I don't like everything that Buttigieg represents. But I like him a lot more than Newsom, who throws trans people under the buss without provocation. I certainly like him more than Joe Walsh, the 'former' (?) Tea Party conservative that now claims to be a Democrat.
There's a difference between reasonable compromise and compromising with fascists who want to kill people. You cant deal with or compromise with them, especially since they will never work to compromise with you when they're in power. And atleast so far it feels like the current democratic party tried to move right during the election to compromise with these people rather then standing firm on certain principles like protecting migrants. People like Bernie dont win because the corporate interests and the establishment of the party will throw everything against them to stop them from winning. There's a reason one of the most popular things in America is a progressive ballot measures, even in red states.
You cant deal with or compromise with them
You kind of have to, since government relies on the consent of the governed. When enough of them will no longer consent to being governed, your government will fail. But if you really want to address that problem, you look at the reasons why people turn to fascism; it's not something that happens in a vacuum.
In this case, the dems are handling it badly; they're trying to move to the right in order to give the fascists the things that they say they want. But what they say they want isn't really the root issue, which means that dems can never go far enough right to win their vote.
How exactly are Republicans compromising with the American left right now?
like all neoliberals in the Dem establishment, Butti will always do what the corporations tell him. don’t fall for it, we need to demand better.
And a politician he is, willing to be bought in exchange for political capital.
Stealing from my comment in a different thread:
I’m still upset with Buttigieg for his pre-Super-Tuesday drop out. He joined the establishment to rally against Sanders. In doing so, he became part of what’s wrong with the party.
While I don’t think poorly of him as a person per se, he is also just another politician.
In contrast, I see folks like Sanders and AOC as real agents of change.
If Sanders and AOC aren't the future of the Democratic Party, then the Republicans are just going to keep winning. Neolibs simply aren't popular. They aren't far enough to the left for the leftists, and they aren't far enough to the right for the conservatives.
bought in exchange for political capital
That's a very uncharitable assumption of his motivations.
Dropping out of an (FPTP) primary is like awkward manual runoff voting. Once you clearly aren't winning, you drop out so those votes can flow to the next preferred candidate.
People voting for Buttigieg switched to Biden because he was the most similar candidate. Of course Buttigieg would support the candidate that best matches his policy preferences -- and the preferences of voters.
You're stating he believes his policies were closer to Bidens than Bernie's. That alone should show why people don't like him and believe he's a centrist. I don't really care or think about the dropping out thing. What hurt Bernie is everything and I'm not going to point fingers at him personally, but his "Medicare for all who want it" is exactly the kind of garbage middling take that makes everyone feel as though he stands for nothing and has no actual morals. Leftists are being forced to vote for these people, but he does not represent me or my values and I don't believe he represents himself. Just whatever he thinks is going to get the backing of the party. Wish people would stop pushing this nonsense online acting like he actually cares about the people and will do anything beyond the bare minimum. He's certainly not aligned with any leftist agenda.
If "best" means technically proficient, then sure. He does the politician thing better than any other establishment Democrats I can think of. If "best" means good for the country, then I have some notes. Obama was the same kind of character, and Trump was the result. I'm not sure I want to go down the highly charismatic Wall Street bitch route again.
One of the best? He didn't even support Medicare for all. He's just another pathetic neolib.
You’re both correct and that’s what really sucks
That's not true! He supported Medicare for all!*
^*who ^want ^it.
It's sad when a McKinsey ghoul is one of our best choices right now.
I thought that in the beginning, but he sold out to the insurance companies pretty quickly. I was pretty bummed about it. Notice he took the transportation gig when he was working for Biden.
Buttigieg is one of the best politicians America has right now.
Well that might be the single grimmest condemnation of the state of American politics I've seen
Care to explain or are you just a bridge troll?
Guy is incredibly intelligent. Calm. Collected. Fair. He easily handles Fox News pundits while trying to explain things in a way even Fox viewers can understand. Served in the military. Became a mayor before getting into national politics. Got pretty far into the primary process.
I'll wait for your response.
We can't be friends with a take like that. I'll never forgive how he treated Bernie.
Well that's upsetting.
Buttigieg is one of the best politicians America has right now
At failing upwards.
He's just your typical charismatic Centrist who can deliver some catchy sound bites for the billionaire-owned media to obsess about, but has no legislative experience beyond being the mayor of a small town in Indiana, which he apparently wasn't even that good at.
When it comes to authenticity, he's almost exactly on par with Ted "100% Human Candidate" Cruz
Pete is just turning into an old gay man. They all have beards.
Or an engineer, we all grow beards to show wisdom.
I know a female engineer who has a fake beard on the wall in her office. She has been known to wear it to meetings, for extra respect...
So tired of having to elect either business leaders or lawyers. Fuck, I wish we still had generals to elect. There is no one who gets into office from blue collar or education backgrounds.
Those people need to run for office in order to get in.
That's a lot of work when you're also trying to support your family. Rich people have a lot more leeway to be able to run.
We need to rewrite the entire foundation of this country to ensure that that sentiment is not just done away with, but obliterated in its entirety.
If someone is working hard for the country, why should that make it harder to be elected to help in a different way? Fuck I hate this place. If you made a nation where every moral and ideal were the exact opposite of what would benefit society, you get this shit.
Other countries elect scientists and economists sometimes.
Well (obviously) anyone can be elected regardless of expertise or competence or sanity.
Is he trying to look "normal"?
zuck, trying to LOOK human.
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The stench of establishment is the only thing the Democrats have to wash off to win an election. That's all people want. They wanted it so bad that they voted for Trump again. Stop putting establishment candidates in front of the electorate.
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