Whether you had fun and the quality of the movie are not entirely related.
Says who? Is the whole point of movies not for you to have fun?
In the same sense the point of food is to get you full. There's more nuance to it.
That's why I find myself staring at a half eaten jar of green olives or an empty sleeve of crackers during the wee hours. Sometimes we just want to get to the point and not bother with the journey.
Some movies are intentionally not fun, because their message isn't about fun things.
Leaving Las Vegas isn't fun.
Evolution (2001) is an objectively bad movie.
It is also one of my all time favorites because it's fun and doesn't take itself too seriously.
Schindler's List is an objectively good movie. It is decidedly not fun.
Nah movies are ranked on a set of objective criteria such variety and use of color, the use of varied angles, runtime:budget ratio, and so on. Technically speaking the best movies are usually produced by accidentally dropping a cellphone from a hot air balloon
I think you should read my previous comment again.
One can have fun watching a bad movie. One can have no fun watching a good movie.
Schindler's List is not a fun movie.
Me enjoying a movie does in no way exclude it from being a bad movie.
Seeing as I do enjoy watching bad movies. Terrible acting, bad cuts, awful dialog. I love it.
Terrible acting, bad cuts, awful dialog. I love it.
I think there's a certain "The Producers" threshold beyond which a merely bad piece of art becomes a captivating car-wreck. But it's an esoteric mix of elements. For every "Rocky Horror Picture Show" there's a dozen "Mac and Me"s.
Must be nice to be able to just completely switch off your brain like that.
Good movies are self-aware. Not everything needs to be a masterpiece of acting and cinematography, or have the best effects, or the best writing. But they have to know what they are. I don't mean breaking the fourth wall or self-deprecating humor. More like understanding their limits.
The people making Sharknado knew they were doing a campy action film (series) with sharks in tornadoes. Fun Movie. Would watch again.
M. Night Shyamalan is a great writer and director, but a lot of his films have a feeling of over-dramatized self-importance, where it seems like he really wants you to know how clever he is. So they get panned.
Chrisopher Nolan (I think) puts similar importance on symbols and archetypes with a dramatic and artistic style, but his movies have a feel of like "I don't give a shit if you get it, just enjoy the ride." He makes good films.
Zak Snyder makes AMAZING visuals and set pieces.
He can kinda string together the main bits of a plot, but the dude can’t write to save his life.
Rebel Moon had the ingredients for a decent 7 samurai sci-fi thing. But holy fuck did he go so far style over substance with it that all the substance was left out 😆
Same with JJ Abrams, dude makes good visuals and can start a mystery box plot like very few can.
But for the love of all that’s holy, don’t let him decide what’s in the box.
Zak Snyder makes AMAZING visuals and set pieces.
I have never been able to set the brightness high enough to see them though.
The movie itself doesn't even have to be aware of it. You just need some link back to it.
Take Street Fighter, The Three Musketeers, or Robin Hood Prince of Thieves. Absolute dog shit, all three of them. But then an actor appears who knows exactly what he's in. All villains in these cases. They know it's bad. It's a pantomime. Amateur hour all over the place. The script is awful, the leads can't act, half of them are snorting coke between takes, or getting drunk. They've been here before.
But they've decided that they're going to enjoy it anyway, and now, so can you.
dude is stuck at a toddler level
I mean, I can certainly tell whether a movie is objectively good or bad while watching it, but that rarely correlates with my enjoyment of the movie. I can separate "this is really badly made/has bad writing/is a ridiculous premise" and "this is a fun distraction from the daily routine".
I kind of feel like being unable to make that separation and not being able to enjoy movies that are "bad" must be an exhausting and miserable experience.
I mean hey, if you have low standards, and you're completely honest about it, nothing wrong with that... and it also puts the onus on the people with higher standards to actually explain why they do or do not like any given movie, easier to suss out the people who don't actually have consistent standards, but instead just have an amalgamation of their favorite influencers opinions.
Win win win as I see it. I'm a bit of a movie snob, and I can explain why I do or don't like a movie...
But I am also self-aware enough to realize that other people have other standards, and 90% of the time, if there isn't some utterly reprehnsible trope or caricature or very very misleading depiction of real events in a 'based on a true story' type thing... eh, whatever, we have different tastes, wanna get pizza?
Good movie: the one you enjoy
Bad movie: the one you don't
Simple as that, my metric of scoring isn't good or bad, it's whether i enjoy it or whether it annoy me. I pick what i watch and will go through review and score so most of the time i know i gonna enjoy it, but sometime an outlier will pops up. I'm still not over how annoyed i am for 28 Weeks Later.
That assumes that enjoyment is the only metric, which is common, but not universal.
Some people can think the movie is of high quality, but the subject matter isn't for them, as an example.
Think of it like food:
Good food: the food you enjoy
Bad food: the food you don’t
Unless you're basing good and bad on how "healthy" the food is (for whatever given metric of health you want to use)
Critical thinking is an endangered practice.
Media literacy is a threat to a lot of production houses' business models
Movies can be fun bad tbh. They can have cheap budgets, horribly low quality CGI, but still be a fun watch.
Yea but this is telling the difference beyween a good and bad movie
Sounds like 10% of the time you did not have fun watching a movie. That's a bad movie.
Sometimes bad movies are fun to watch.
'So bad it's good' is one of my favorites. But you have to be prepared going into it. If you start a 'so bad it's good' film wanting something decent, you'll be disappointed. If you go in planning to enjoy the terrible, ridiculous, and ridiculous and/or banality, you'll probably enjoy it. If that's your thing.
My favorites of this genre are 'Hobo with a shotgun', 'Dead Snow' (sequel is actually good), and 'rubber'.
I 100% get this and I think a lot of people are missing the point. It's like going to a football game without knowing the rules, which team is better, or who is winning and having fun anyway. It's not having fun watching people suck because shitty football can be funny.
Some movies (Marvel, Fast and Furious, Transformers) are Pepperoni Pizza. They are not a 7 course dining experience because THEY DIDNT SET OUT TO BE!
If you sit down to a pizza and tell me its the worst soup you ever had, you're a dumbass.
I don't think this is proving the point that the people who say this want it to make. If you're trying to champion what the movie is trying to be, then that's one thing. (i.e. Marvel movies want to be fun, fast paced, action packed, and humorous)
But championing what a movie is not trying to be doesn't really work. For example, saying that a movie isn't trying have the traits that make a movie good (pacing, plot, framing, blocking, cut speed, color grading, etc), especially when all those elements are present simply by virtue of the medium.
That's like saying a watch isn't broken just because it doesn't tell time. You can like a broken watch. It can be a fun fashion accessory. It can have a pleasing design or be comfortable on the wrist. But it still doesn't tell time. And thats not a dig on those who like it, it's just a true statement about the watch.
I'm exactly like that, but the other way around. 90 % of the movies I watch I don't enjoy. Mayhap it's just not my medium. Makes the 10 % I did enjoy realy worth it tough.
Huh. 90% of the time I'm like "this is a bad movie"
I'm the exact opposite. I struggle to get through 90% of movies regardless of how good people think they are, especially since they only keep getting longer and longer.
Hell, the only movies I can get through are the ones that are so bad they're actually interesting
Congrats, you’re sane. Most entertainment media is objectively bad. That’s just statistically undeniable. Unless you think everyone is a good writer and storyteller.
I too have no media literacy
Somebody needs to introduce Thomas here to MST3K. There is no better teacher than experience.
You saw someone enjoying themselves and thought, "Somebody needs to fix that."?
Hey, one of my cringe memories that randomly pops up when I try to go to sleep!
"So what did you think, pretty good right?"
"Ahahah what??? No, it was shit!"
It was Wild Things, feel free to confirm that it was indeed shit.
Prime Neve Campbell and Denise Richard’s topless.
It was objectively great.
Unless, for some reason, you don’t like boobs.
This is why I hardly ever recommend movies.
My criteria pretty much boils down to "did it hold my attention" during the runtime?"
A "good" movie holds my attention An "ok" movie doesn't hold my atttention 100% A "bad" movie 'pushes' my attention away
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