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[-] Scotty_Trees@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago

Dude, seriously FUCK Newsweek. Reddit posts this garbage news clickbait crap all the time. Posting Newsweek trash is just a complete waste of time. Use better, local, independent news organizations instead of a rag that just uses clickbait and sensationalism. Fuck off Newsweek.

[-] Pnut@lemm.ee 15 points 1 day ago

I worked for a greenhouse in the Niagara region. We had maybe 2-3 migrant workers at a time and they worked HARD. My boss once said that he would prefer to hire the students from the local horticulture program but he still usually needs a few migrant workers to make sure we get through the season. He then informed me to look closer at the people working the fields around the area. The amount of work being done by migrant workers would simply not get done if they were kicked out. They make up a majority of the labour required so the grocery stores can put 5000 tomatoes on display at a time.

[-] JLock17@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Teens are a really bad workforce to rely on. It's always been understood that kids work for their own benefit, and the business just happens to benefit from that. They need a savings so they can move out on their own when they graduate. This isn't for their benefit, this is so companies can fuel their needs for wage slaves.

[-] NotAGamer@lemmy.org 183 points 1 day ago

The bill have allowed 16 year olds to work 8 hours over night with no lunch/meal break while also attending school during the day. It's slave labor.

[-] Railing5132@lemmy.world 50 points 1 day ago

Isn't his state the same one that removed worker's protections from heat, like mandatory water and cooling breaks for outdoor workers? Or was that Texas? Fuck both him and Abbot in the temple with a crowbar, either way... Fucking ghouls.

[-] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 day ago

Yeah, FL not just removed it, they stated no local areas could implement their own and that contractors were banned from implementing anything of the sort for their employees. Not sure if anyone has checked on hospitalization/ death from heart exhaustion or heat stroke since that was signed in to law.

[-] Railing5132@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

Who bans employers from protecting their workers?! Seriously!

[-] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago

Uh, conservatives do. This is not a joke, or a "dunk", this shit really happened.

[-] Mirshe@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Which I'm surprised no cities have challenged this as a sovereignty issue.

Well, not that surprised, but if you're a city government and figure out that a state government can just completely nullify your labor protections...well, it raises questions of just how much actual legal power you have.

I know that legal power and legal challenges mean absolutely nothing now, considering everything, but still, I'm surprised that the Florida SC hasn't been hit with questions of "hey I thought we had a right to self-organize".

[-] Ledericas@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

that was texas, florida would do this eventually.

[-] fluxion@lemmy.world 150 points 1 day ago

The bill would have permitted 16- and 17-year-olds to work overnight on school days and work longer than an eight-hour day before a school day. Some 14- and 15-year-olds would also have been allowed to work those hours.

While sane and modern countries use this time to educate children and ensure they don't need to work graveyard shifts during high school even go so far as funding their higher education so they can become highly-functional and productive tax-paying members of society, America begins its foray into bringing back child labor to backfill some of the most grueling and thankless jobs in the country.

Great fucking job you fucks

[-] NJSpradlin@lemmy.world 39 points 1 day ago

It’s not about backfilling the jobs, as much as it is about indoctrination into the slave work force and destroying their academic education.

[-] Mirshe@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Not even that. I don't think there's a larger political force at work than "we need to make more money and we can pay kids the same wages we paid those immigrants, they won't know their rights anyway."

[-] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I don't know why they bother. Unemployment is probably going to be rampant by this time next year. No need to work kids to death when they can just starve them.

[-] Coolbeanschilly@lemmy.ca 81 points 1 day ago

I do believe Mr. DeSantis should put his money where his mouth is, and have all of HIS children work these shifts, thus showing effective leadership with a prime example of how parents should treat their children.

I mean, if it's a good policy, he wouldn't mind making his children work, right?

[-] EmpatheticTeddyBear@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago

Rules for thee, not for me...

[-] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

A season in the fields would do his kids good.

[-] Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org 11 points 1 day ago

I do believe Mr. DeSatan should put a loaded gun where his mouth is.

[-] dandelion 32 points 1 day ago

newsweek is a conspiracy peddling right-wing rag, please stop driving traffic to them

[-] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

No. If people stopped posting from every source someone found objectionable there would be zero content on Lemmy.

[-] dandelion 36 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

In November 2022, the Southern Poverty Law Center reported that Newsweek had "taken a marked radical right turn by buoying extremists and promoting authoritarian leaders" since it hired conservative political activist Josh Hammer as editor-at-large. It noted the magazine's elevation of conspiracy theorists, publication of conspiracy theories about COVID-19, views such as support for a ban on all legal immigration to the United States and denying adults access to trans-affirming medical care, and failure to disclose potential conflicts of interest in the content published on Hammer's opinion section and podcast.

Newsweek in particular is vile and horrible, and you are driving traffic to them. The argument that there are other news sites with problems is whataboutism, it doesn't address that this news source has a serious problem.

Besides, here's an easy alternative and less problematic source: https://www.axios.com/local/tampa-bay/2025/03/25/florida-child-labor-bill-migrant-workers

(it's not that hard)

It's odd that despite having been on Lemmy for a year you've never made a single news or politics post. The very best way to make sure posts are from sources you approve of is to make posts from sources you approve of.

[-] dandelion 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I don't tend to post news or politics, I think those posts are rather saturated on Lemmy.

It's pretty ironic my most recent post is a political post, and here's another political news article post I made ... So to say I've "never made a single news or politics post" I think is factually wrong.

Either way, I was hoping to appeal to your conscience here.

I'm not sure I understand your moral argument - you say that there are moral problems with every news source, and if we held moral standards to the sources we used, no posts would be permitted on Lemmy, but ... you know, there are better and worse places to drive traffic, better and worse places to use as a source. It's not all or nothing, you have to know this right?

So, reading between the lines, what I'm hearing from you is that it's not a deal-breaker for you to drive traffic to a website that perpetuates conspiracy theories and seeks to deny people like me healthcare, that these are morally tolerable positions.

I've been thinking about this a lot since reading this article on free speech about how often people will side with "free speech" until it's a topic they don't actually tolerate - e.g. very few "free speech" advocates continued to defend Milo Yiannopoulos after he started to advocate for pedophilia.

Here's the salient point I think the article makes:

The truth of the matter is that there are two types of speech or expression: those that we (either as individuals, or as a society) are willing to tolerate, and those that we do not. (This is explained compellingly here.) You may cherish a particular word, idea, expression, or identity. But if enough people collectively refuse to tolerate it, well . . . you can shout “free speech!” at the top of your lungs all you want, but it isn’t going to protect you.

In the end, what I'm hearing is you are willing to tolerate a news source that peddles far-right conspiracy theories that aim to strip people of their rights and manipulate people into rejecting science, that these ultimately are tolerable views, ones you are willing to indirectly support by continuing to link to Newsweek and drive traffic there.

Maybe you would not feel the same about linking to a neo-Nazi website directly, or to a Holocaust denial website, or maybe a website that hosts child pornography or advocates for pedophilia - I assume these are views you probably wouldn't tolerate and wouldn't want to be associated with or support even indirectly.

It's OK if my attempt to appeal to your conscience failed - I assumed from the start that we were more likely to be on the same page on this, but I guess I was wrong. Sorry for wasting your time.

[-] pupbiru@aussie.zone 3 points 1 day ago

same argument as people make with FOSS: if you don’t like it, you can submit a change… it’s an absolute shit argument: not everyone has the time, energy, or drive to trawl sources for new content… that doesn’t absolve the people that do of social responsibility

[-] beernutz@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

I don't know their past, or their politics, but they are right. Newsweek should be avoided when possible.

[-] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 2 points 1 day ago

Here, just to spite the fash reader source jacketing you.

[-] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I did corn detasseling for 2-half days (we got rained out on day 1) back when I was 12. I imagine those migrants were much more capable and tolerant of the bs than I was. -I remember the humidity in the fields, the mud, and the desire to vomit.

[-] TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 36 points 1 day ago

We did this already, why must we repeat the worst parts of history?

When The U.S. Government Tried To Replace Migrant Farmworkers With High Schoolers

[-] Archangel1313@lemm.ee 31 points 1 day ago

Lol! Good luck getting teenagers to work those kinds of jobs in the 1st place. But expecting them to work overnight, then go to school...without any meal breaks?

LMFAO!! Who the fuck thought this would be a good idea? Unless they're planning on forcing kids to do this, it will never happen.

[-] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Someone I knew was hard-core conservative and thought forcing (other people's) kids to work was a fucking great idea. When asked about the dangers of working in a industrial kitchen or a meat packing plant he said he wasn't worried about that at all. Insurance companies would never allow it.

He spouted all kinds of other right wing BS that was almost as disturbing. That kind of nutcase is exactly who the fuck thought this would be a good idea.

[-] Archangel1313@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago

Uugh. That's so dumb. Insurance companies simply wouldn't cover them...but that wouldn't stop those companies from employing children. Especially if conservatives are dismantling work place safety regulations at the same time.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

...until this band of demons gets the likes of donvict to start threatening them if they don't comply with the very worst polices the qons can dream up.

[-] Railing5132@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago

I think they're expecting an influx of dropping out to enter the ~~wage slave market~~ work force. So for them, it's hitting a triple - less expenses to education, a less educated populace, and a locked-in-for-life service industry workforce.

[-] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 35 points 1 day ago

Oh word? Maybe try replacing republicans with humans.

[-] TediousTasks@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

That would require morals and an actual functioning vertebrae.

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 day ago

Not the onion.

[-] Astrophage@lemy.lol 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

"No sixteen year olds want to work these days"

[-] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 60 points 1 day ago

I understand you are joking, but can never pass up an opening to post this:

Sure, lets hire children for everything, I mean everything:

"I'm bored, my mom grounded me"

"Hey wanna play a game?"

"What?"

"Lets, turn the keys, see what happens."

"..."

"C'mon pussy. There's nothing fun at home anyways, you're grounded. This is gonna be fun!"

"Um... fine..."

"Alright, 3... 2... 1..."

keys are turned simultaneously

🚀🌎🌏💥 (Nuclear ICBM Launched)

[-] xorollo@leminal.space 14 points 1 day ago

Not Florida but:

Rotschy, which routinely hired teenage workers amid recent labor shortages, violated the law when supervisors assigned tasks known to be dangerous and prohibited for minors to perform.

‘Beyond failure’ – Washington teen loses legs at school-based work program

[-] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Just imagine... Kamala was somehow worse.

/s for those easily triggered assholes

[-] puddinghelmet@feddit.nl 10 points 1 day ago

What in the 1600

[-] Kowowow@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago

If you push for child labour and have less osha power to keep them safe plus lower regulations on selling tainted meat then on top all that you have courts that don't hold businesses accountable, you'll end up with people eating children that fall in something like an industrial meat grinder and even if people do find out they don't have to recall it, some may even have a choice if they can't afford something better

Good. But I don't agree with anyone I know that Florida "isn't that bad."

I don't have a map of statistics where bad shit happens, but if I did, Florida would stand out.

It's a fucking swamp. Humans aren't meant for that environment. (Actually, I don't know if humans ever naturally adjusted to swamps, it just seems like tons of horrible ways to die)

[-] Drusas@fedia.io 6 points 1 day ago

There were native tribes living there prior to the Europeans coming.

[-] bender223@lemmy.today 6 points 1 day ago

It would have only worked if those were mining jobs. You know how them kids yearn for the mines. Minor miners.

[-] grysbok@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 day ago

Sadly, Florida doesn't have the right geology for mines.

Unfortunately for Floridians there are definitely open pit mines in Fla.

[-] Numinous_Ylem@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago
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