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[-] ComradeRachel 233 points 1 month ago

Read the title and thought she may have been dead, scared the crap out of me. Glad everyone is safe. Crazy stuff

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 160 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

thought she may have been dead,

If Israel had its way she would be.

[-] prole 60 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I saw it more as a message. I think they probably knew she wasn't on the boat at the time, but are showing them that they could end them at any moment if they so please.

Not that I think these people give a shit, particularly Greta. That girl is fearless. If anything, this is just Streisand Effect for their flotilla and her message.

So well done, Israel.

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[-] Akasazh@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

Trump would've sent them a bouquet as thanks

[-] dutchkimble@lemy.lol 163 points 1 month ago

It says the boat was carrying her, and later says she planned to board later that day. Plus the headline. Confusing.

[-] AJ1@lemmy.ca 64 points 1 month ago
[-] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 124 points 1 month ago

No, bad journalism. This is an important, overlooked, under covered story. I don't particularly care about Thuneberg or her location, but Israel bombing humanitarian aid ships should be much more widely reported.

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[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 73 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The Nazis also bombed/besieged the port at Malta. History rhymes.

[-] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 53 points 1 month ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_flotilla_raid an incident from 2010 where IDF soldiers boarded a humanitarian ship and ten people were killed among a large numbers of others wounded. in case anyone thinks this wasn't a big deal

[-] andros_rex@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Israel just loves killing activists, doesn’t it?

Rachel Aliene Corrie (April 10, 1979 – March 16, 2003) was an American nonviolence activist and diarist.[1][2] She was a member of the pro-Palestinian International Solidarity Movement (ISM)[3] and was active throughout the Israeli-occupied Palestinian territories. In 2003, she was in Rafah, a city in the Gaza Strip, where the Israeli military was demolishing Palestinian houses at the height of the Second Intifada. While protesting the demolitions as they were being carried out, she was killed by an Israeli armored bulldozer that crushed her.[4][2][5][6]

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Corrie went to Gaza as part of her college's senior-year independent-study proposal to connect Olympia and Rafah with each other as sister cities.[7] While in Rafah on March 16, 2003, she joined other ISM activists in efforts to nonviolently prevent Israel's demolition of Palestinian property,[2][8][9] where she was killed by an Israeli bulldozer that crushed her. Physicians present and fellow ISM activists stated that Corrie had been wearing a high-visibility vest and was deliberately driven over, while the Israeli army said that it was an accident because the bulldozer operator did not see her.[10][11][12][13] Following the incident, an Israeli military investigation concluded that Corrie's death was the result of an accident and that the bulldozer operator had limited visibility. The ruling attracted criticism from Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, B'Tselem, and Yesh Din.[14][15][16] HRW stated that the ruling represented a pattern of impunity for Israeli forces.[14]

“a pattern of impunity for Israeli forces” back in 2003

In 2005, Corrie's parents filed a civil lawsuit, charging the Israeli state with not conducting a full and credible investigation into the case and therefore holding responsibility for her death.[17] They contended that either she had been intentionally killed or the Israeli soldiers on scene had acted with reckless neglect.[5] They sued for a symbolic US$1 in damages. However, an Israeli court rejected their suit in August 2012 and upheld the results of the military's investigation, ruling that the Israeli government was not responsible for Corrie's death,[5] again attracting criticism from Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and various activists.[14][15][16] An appeal against this ruling was heard on May 21, 2014, but was ultimately rejected by the Supreme Court of Israel on February 14, 2015.[18]

And corporate interests too, to make it all really fucked up.

Revelation of Caterpillar surveillance In 2017, documents emerged that showed Caterpillar had hired private investigators to spy on the family of Rachel Corrie following her killing in early 2003.[126][127]

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[-] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 25 points 1 month ago

Greta Thunberg - how to milk one viral moment you had as a kid and make a career out of it.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 302 points 1 month ago

Uh... What the fuck man? This woman was going to an active warzone to deliver aid to genocide victims. Let me repeat, she was headed to an active warzone where aid workers have routinely been targeted and murdered. If you think that's making a career out of a viral moment then you need to fuck off.

[-] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I have complex feelings regarding Greta.

Sure, she's an inspiration and she's courageous and selfless and her heart is in the right place.

Other people were on this boat who were also at risk, many other atrocities have occurred during this war and the one in Ukraine in which Greta wasn't present. Her involvement in this one is not why it's significant, and the people present at all the others were no less courageous than Greta.

In fact, there's a lot of other people being a lot more courageous receiving a lot less recognition.

Additionally, in some cases the recognition Greta receives is counter-productive. I mean, putting a world famous influencer on a humanitarian mission to a place where the aggressors want as little attention as possible isn't really a sound strategy.

All that aside, I have two main concerns:

One is that Greta is the hero of the leftists, but she's unable to engage with the right - the people who really need to alter their behavior. To them she's just an insufferable child who makes them feel guilty - that's not how you reach people and propagate change.

Second is that, I don't think she's used her influence very well. During the US campaign she was pushing the "both sides bad" narrative.

Edit: I'm happy to wear the drive-by downvotes, but I had hoped for some more compelling rebuttals - 150 downvotes deep and the best we've received is that Kamala was bad.

[-] ParetoOptimalDev@lemmy.today 56 points 1 month ago

If the goal is more publicity rather than the aid that had a low chance of making it through, it is very smart to have a world famous influencer aboard.

Why do you assume she endangered the others rather than they chose to take a calculated risk?

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[-] CBYX@feddit.org 56 points 1 month ago

She is not a "hero to the leftists" as much as someone trying to do the right thing. Hats off to her, but the average aid worker in a war zone is more of a hero.

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[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 40 points 1 month ago

I mean, putting a world famous influencer on a humanitarian mission to a place where the aggressors want as little attention as possible isn't really a sound strategy.

How? If anything it is sound strategy because it puts the media's eyes on the event. It's one thing to kill a bunch of nameless activists, but it's another to kill Greta Thunberg, or at least I'd like to believe it is.

One is that Greta is the hero of the leftists, but she's unable to engage with the right - the people who really need to alter their behavior.

They're never gonna change their behavior, or at least not due to messaging from the left. The right will have to be dragged kicking and screaming to civilization by the sane two thirds of society. Trying to get the right on board with good things is a fool's errand. In general, the role of leftwing activists is to either promote their own politicians or force neoliberals' hands, not persuade the right.

During the US campaign she was pushing the "both sides bad" narrative.

I mean she's right. We can argue about the tactical merits and demerits of endorsing Harris all day but the fact of the matter is that she was an absolutely terrible candidate and "What the shit? You want me to endorse that‽" is a valid position to take no matter how you personally feel about it. Greta didn't get where she is now by compromising with neoliberals and there's no reason to expect her to start now.

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[-] Darleys_Brew@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 month ago

Well neither side has done enough, if anything, about people dying in Gaza.

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[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 118 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

No, that would be like uh... Ms. Hawk Tuah.

Greta is what you call an activist: Someone who actually believes things and advocates for change based on her beliefs.

When I was in school, this kind of behavior was referred to as a politically involved/informed, active citizen, the kind of people without which a democratic society cannot survive or function.

[-] fluxion@lemmy.world 104 points 1 month ago

How to consistently stand up for your morals and do more to make a difference than 99.999% of people on this planet.

Sorry that offends you so much.

[-] blakenong@lemmings.world 91 points 1 month ago

She is a career humanitarian and environmentalist. You, on the other hand, haven’t done a damn thing with your life.

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[-] superkret@feddit.org 76 points 1 month ago

Damn, that's an impressive number of down-votes!

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[-] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 73 points 1 month ago

User name checks out.

[-] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 45 points 1 month ago

I have a feeling that she would have ended up being an activist with or without any viral moments. Sure, that sort of thing helps, but she doesn’t strike me as the type of person who is out there just for the clicks and likes.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 month ago

I have a feeling that she would have ended up being an activist with or without any viral moments

Kind of a "yes and no" kind of thing: she became an activist back when she was just an unknown 15yo who believed in something, and the "viral moments" have all been the results of effective activism (with the exception of some hilarious trolling of some prominent far right idiots), which is part of what effective activism IS: getting as many people as possible to notice and talk about the issues.

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[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 41 points 1 month ago

Now that she's spoken out against genocide, I can no longer tell if the people who hate her are democrats or republicans.

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 40 points 1 month ago

It is funny that she was a media darling up until the moment she started talking about Gaza. Same thing happened to Malala. You won't see either of those on cable or in talk shows any more.

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[-] mastertigurius@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago

Have another downvote, on the house.

[-] Mihies@programming.dev 16 points 1 month ago

I'm sure you have done plenty more, right?

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