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[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 302 points 3 months ago

Uh... What the fuck man? This woman was going to an active warzone to deliver aid to genocide victims. Let me repeat, she was headed to an active warzone where aid workers have routinely been targeted and murdered. If you think that's making a career out of a viral moment then you need to fuck off.

[-] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I have complex feelings regarding Greta.

Sure, she's an inspiration and she's courageous and selfless and her heart is in the right place.

Other people were on this boat who were also at risk, many other atrocities have occurred during this war and the one in Ukraine in which Greta wasn't present. Her involvement in this one is not why it's significant, and the people present at all the others were no less courageous than Greta.

In fact, there's a lot of other people being a lot more courageous receiving a lot less recognition.

Additionally, in some cases the recognition Greta receives is counter-productive. I mean, putting a world famous influencer on a humanitarian mission to a place where the aggressors want as little attention as possible isn't really a sound strategy.

All that aside, I have two main concerns:

One is that Greta is the hero of the leftists, but she's unable to engage with the right - the people who really need to alter their behavior. To them she's just an insufferable child who makes them feel guilty - that's not how you reach people and propagate change.

Second is that, I don't think she's used her influence very well. During the US campaign she was pushing the "both sides bad" narrative.

Edit: I'm happy to wear the drive-by downvotes, but I had hoped for some more compelling rebuttals - 150 downvotes deep and the best we've received is that Kamala was bad.

[-] CBYX@feddit.org 56 points 3 months ago

She is not a "hero to the leftists" as much as someone trying to do the right thing. Hats off to her, but the average aid worker in a war zone is more of a hero.

[-] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 months ago

Everyone is trying to do the right thing, some are more effective than others.

[-] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

No. Not everyone.

[-] Count042@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 months ago

People who voted for McClellan during the civil war instead of Lincoln weren't trying to do the right thing.

They were trying to make peace with slavers.

They were trying to be complicit with slavery.

[-] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 months ago

Are you implying that a vote for the democrats is tantamount to making peace with slavers?

Maybe take a moment to reflect on the last several months. The republicans are implementing a new slave class. What have you done to stop them?

[-] ParetoOptimalDev@lemmy.today 56 points 3 months ago

If the goal is more publicity rather than the aid that had a low chance of making it through, it is very smart to have a world famous influencer aboard.

Why do you assume she endangered the others rather than they chose to take a calculated risk?

[-] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 months ago

So she reduced the chance of successful delivery in order to secure publicity in the near certainty that the aid could not be delivered?

Maybe just me but that doesn't seem like a good strategy.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 40 points 3 months ago

I mean, putting a world famous influencer on a humanitarian mission to a place where the aggressors want as little attention as possible isn't really a sound strategy.

How? If anything it is sound strategy because it puts the media's eyes on the event. It's one thing to kill a bunch of nameless activists, but it's another to kill Greta Thunberg, or at least I'd like to believe it is.

One is that Greta is the hero of the leftists, but she's unable to engage with the right - the people who really need to alter their behavior.

They're never gonna change their behavior, or at least not due to messaging from the left. The right will have to be dragged kicking and screaming to civilization by the sane two thirds of society. Trying to get the right on board with good things is a fool's errand. In general, the role of leftwing activists is to either promote their own politicians or force neoliberals' hands, not persuade the right.

During the US campaign she was pushing the "both sides bad" narrative.

I mean she's right. We can argue about the tactical merits and demerits of endorsing Harris all day but the fact of the matter is that she was an absolutely terrible candidate and "What the shit? You want me to endorse that‽" is a valid position to take no matter how you personally feel about it. Greta didn't get where she is now by compromising with neoliberals and there's no reason to expect her to start now.

[-] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 months ago

I mean she's right. We can argue about the tactical merits and demerits of endorsing Harris all day but the fact of the matter is that she was an absolutely terrible candidate

Sorry, if that's your opinion, having installed a fascist dictator who has ruined the global economy and set up concentration camps, then you don't have any credibility.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 17 points 3 months ago

I don't need any credibility to say that Kamala border wall/fracking/"most lethal army in the world"/"Nothing comes to mind" Harris was anything short of absolutely terrible.

[-] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 months ago

No that's true, you don't need to have any credibility to say anything you like, but when you say things that demonstrate a complete lack of reason it undermines everything else you say.

[-] Chip_Rat@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

Then why do you keep posting?

[-] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 months ago

On the off chance I could encourage someone to engage in some critical thinking I guess.

[-] Chip_Rat@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago
[-] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 months ago

Oooh I get it. Wow. That's witty. Well done.

[-] Count042@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago

If everyone you meet today is an asshole.....

[-] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 months ago

If everyone on lemmy thinks you're an asshole...

[-] Darleys_Brew@lemmy.ml 18 points 3 months ago

Well neither side has done enough, if anything, about people dying in Gaza.

[-] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 months ago

Sure, but my point is that lots more people have been a lot more effective than Greta, who IMO has been counter productive.

[-] Darleys_Brew@lemmy.ml 19 points 3 months ago

How has she been counterproductive?

[-] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 months ago

She was pushing the both sides narrative during the US campaign.

[-] Darleys_Brew@lemmy.ml 24 points 3 months ago

Well both sides support Israel, therefore both sides are bad.

[-] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 months ago

Which US leader do you think Palestinians preferred?

[-] Darleys_Brew@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Is there a USA politician that supports Palestine?

Edit; changed it a bit for clarity.

[-] JacksonLamb@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Edit: I’m happy to wear the drive-by downvotes, but I had hoped for some more compelling rebuttals

The perfect is the enemy of the good. It's that simple. Nothing you've said really makes sense as an argument for why Greta Thunberg shouldn't do what she does. It's just an argument that we also need other people contributing other things.

[-] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 months ago

If that were true, why has my mild criticism been met with such derision?

[-] JacksonLamb@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Your complaint was that it had mostly been met with silent downvotes.

Which tracks with my point.

[-] Trihilis@ani.social 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The rest of the world is not USA my man, my country has at least 10 political parties that go anywhere from progressive to conservative and being "right wing" can still mean they have ideas that support the environment or human rights.

We're not all like the USA where you can choose between "the right" and the "ultra right" wing party.

There are right wing parties here that support Gretas ideas. And left wing parties that disagree with her.

I can completely understand her "both sides are bad" point since politics are wildly different in the EU from the US. We have actually choice here where as the US is just voting for the lesser evil (or the greater evil in case of Trump lol).

[-] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 months ago

Greta undermined the dems in the US campaign. Perhaps not enough to cost them the election, but not very bright regardless.

Given everything that has happened in the last few months that's pretty shameful.

[-] stephen01king@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago

No, the dems undermined the dems in the US. Greta is just reacting to the bad shit that the dems served in response to the republican's worse shit when they could have actually served some proper good shit.

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