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[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 307 points 3 months ago

What alarmed Nicholas Reppucci, head of the Charlottesville Office of the Public Defender, is that the enforcers called in to detain the two men in the city Tuesday morning were wearing plain clothes and did not display badges or arrest warrants.

Sounds an awful lot like kidnapping. So then the question becomes: why didn’t the court officers or local police arrest the so-called “ICE agents”? Up to and including firing on the assailants, if necessary? Because if you don’t show your badge, and you can’t back it up, you are not who you say you are. And that becomes broad-ass daylight kidnapping. And the actual uniformed officers did nothing (I know why they did nothing - the call is coming from inside the house).

[-] prole 85 points 3 months ago

Because the people who work at the court were likely complicit.

Of course they wouldn't tell the Public Defender, but that doesn't mean that he bailiff or whatever, wasn't in on it.

Sounds like a courthouse that is absolutely corrupt of the constitution and should be all held to treason. The U.S. brought back the firing squad, and the president preaches for no trials. If anyone knows me I love this country. That said, I'm fairly sure this country says we are required to shoot the judge by firing squad without a trial? Or maybe they havent been clear. Is it just racism based slaughter, or slaughter all around they support?

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[-] Nougat@fedia.io 184 points 3 months ago

Let’s assume for a moment that the abducters here were federal agents.

How long before people get the bright idea that they can pull a stunt like this without being federal agents? Has that already happened?

[-] Natanael@infosec.pub 95 points 3 months ago
[-] Nougat@fedia.io 45 points 3 months ago

I suppose the scenario I was really thinking of is one where someone is literally abducted by adults, and not just fucking idiot kids playing fuck around.

Which has happened in the article posted here, we're just taking them on their word that they're actually federal agents.

[-] monotremata@lemmy.ca 32 points 3 months ago

Yeah, this was the part that really got me:

“Show us a warrant,” the video shows one of the two women demanding as they attempt to get between the detainers and the detainee.

“Do not touch me or impede me in my lawful duties,” the man in the pink shirt responds. “We are officers from Homeland Security.”

That's a real bully-logic move right there. How are we supposed to know that these are your lawful duties if you're refusing to show us your warrant or even your badge? Like, if she had blocked them at this point and the issue were brought to court (and yes, it's ironic that this is happening in a court), then I can't imagine a jury saying "well yeah, you can't prevent a guy from abducting someone just because he won't give you any indication other than a pinky swear that he has the legal authority to do it." But, of course, the obvious implication in the moment was that since he was from the "abduct people in an unmarked van with unlimited authority" branch of the government, this wasn't going to a jury trial, and she was either getting out of the way or she was going in the van too.

I dunno, man. It's scary.

[-] Zorsith 19 points 3 months ago

So what I'm gathering here, is if you can get some friends together, you can get yourself out of court in a pinch.

This is not behavior they want to encourage long term

[-] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 19 points 3 months ago

Trump isn't thinking in the long term. He's usually not even thinking in the short term.

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[-] AcidicBasicGlitch@lemm.ee 69 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Pretty sure some people showed up at San Francisco City Hall claiming to be with DOGE and demanding they be given access to personal files.

The staff refused and when they finally called the police the men claiming to be with DOGE fled the scene.

It was just some insane MAGA duds pretending to be with DOGE.

Especially with ICE going into schools and other previous safe zones now, think about how easy it would be for people to take advantage of these situations.

If a person is already willing to kidnap someone, do you really think they wouldn't easily be willing to disguise their own identity, command authority and prey on people's fears of retaliation for not complying?

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[-] lowleekun@ani.social 178 points 3 months ago

Maybe shoot kidnappers? Amazing how often your guns are used to kill school children and how rarely to fight injustice.

[-] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 56 points 3 months ago

Maybe shoot kidnappers?

Normal people cannot legally carry firearms into a Court House.

[-] lowleekun@ani.social 37 points 3 months ago

Is there no law enforcements with weapons in your courts? And also what about the kidnappers on the streets? Have any gotten shot so far?

Iknow people simply do not want to risk their life and thats fair but i wonder about the use scenario for all these weapons you guys own and i do not understand why besides having a fetish for weapons.

[-] pivot_root@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago

Is there no law enforcements with weapons in your courts?

American cops don't protect American people. First and foremost, they protect their own. Beyond that, they protect the establishment that gives them their authority.

[-] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 11 points 3 months ago

And money. They absolutely protect people with money.

The Venn diagram of gun fetishists and the people still cheering for Trump is nearly a circle.

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[-] Chochacho@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 36 points 3 months ago

A comment almost exactly like this got me permabanned from reddit. It's like they're telling us who's side they're on.

[-] Sturgist@lemmy.ca 17 points 3 months ago

I mean.... they've been pretty clear about it for several years now?

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[-] zarathustrad@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I'm on my usual 2 day ban over some comment I can't remember, but probably something about how the current admin is a cancerous growth, and should be treated accordingly.

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[-] Fingolfinz@lemmy.world 88 points 3 months ago

These gestapo need to be doxxed

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 62 points 3 months ago
[-] waterSticksToMyBalls@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago

They don't need to be mutually exclusive

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[-] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 78 points 3 months ago

What alarmed Nicholas Reppucci, head of the Charlottesville Office of the Public Defender, is that the enforcers called in to detain the two men in the city Tuesday morning were wearing plain clothes and did not display badges or arrest warrants.

Presumably, the courthouse is filled with cops and others with arrest authority, so why did they allow two men in plainclothes without badges or warrants leave with two people?

If the DOGE pirates had been gunned down in the first lobby the invaded, it would have ended there, or at least gone down a different path.

We should not be normalizing this behavior, and setting precedents. Without a badge, you will not be listened to, and you will leave the building immediately. Without a warrant, you will not be putting your hands on any person. If you attempt to bypass either requirement, you will be arrested. And if you attempt to do enforce your demands by force, you will be shot.

[-] flicker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 3 months ago

On the plus side, if anybody reading this ever has reason to think that they might need to go into a police station and remove someone being held there, apparently if you and a friend or two look sufficiently the part, you can just walk in, in plainclothes, and claim to be Homeland Security, and just... take a dude and leave.

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[-] BenLeMan@lemmy.world 61 points 3 months ago

Whatever happened to the Fourth Amendment? If they're not even bothering to uphold the Constitution in a courthouse you guys are well and truly fucked.

[-] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 20 points 3 months ago

I’m pretty sure Homeland Security was created with the sole intent of subverting the constitution from it's inception.

[-] Stern@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

https://www.aclu.org/documents/constitution-100-mile-border-zone

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_search_exception

The magical 100 mile "Nah constitution don't really work here" zone that also, crazily enough, includes 2/3 of the population.

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[-] boughtmysoul@lemmy.world 55 points 3 months ago

Is this exactly the kind of stuff 2A was supposed to have solved? What were the half a billion guns for?

[-] boolean_sledgehammer@lemmy.world 61 points 3 months ago

A good portion of the 2A fetishists in this country love jackbooted authoritarianism as long as it's aimed at the correct demographic.

They love the fantasy of being a plucky revolutionary, but in reality they are the ones helping the boot come down.

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[-] Stamau123@lemmy.world 28 points 3 months ago

Guns are for the tyranny of green energy and gay marriage. This is what they voted for.

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[-] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 40 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It's horrifying to see so many incidents of kidnapping in courtrooms. I can't imagine a more blatant and clear example of subversion of the legal judicial process.

There would be no reason to remove them from a courtroom if you believed the court would come to the same conclusions they have. So the logical explanation is that they know that what they're doing is illegal and that these people they're snatching haven't actually done anything wrong. It's shameful that we've allowed this to happen in our country and frankly, it's embarrassing that this is what the once great USA has stooped to.

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[-] bunsley@lemmy.ml 32 points 3 months ago

The knock-on effect of this now would discourage undocumented migrants even just trying to engage with the legal system, being a witness or even reporting on crimes. For people on the fringes of a society it could lead to even worse exploitation and marginalization

[-] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

Working as intended

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[-] Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago

First, this is straight up Nazi secret police stuff. Second how did the court know these guys weren't confederates of the folks in court intending a jail break. Where the FUCK were the bailiffs in this unlawful seizure?

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[-] Kalysta@lemm.ee 27 points 3 months ago

So three men just kidnapped a dude.

They need to be banned from doing this in plain clothes. At minumim. At best ICE needs to be abolished.

[-] Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

They need to be arrested as attempted kidnappers or shot if they don't surrender. Then they need to be prosecuted as kidnappers.

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[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 20 points 3 months ago

Questioning the security of the courthouse if you can just do that

[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 months ago

I live here, and I actually called the Sheriff and yelled at her about this. She said these ICE Nazis showed her deputies ID and warrants, and that she couldn't stop them from entering. She has met with the judges who actually have the power to determine who is allowed entry, asking if they want her office to stop feds in the future. They were still considering it as of yesterday.

[-] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

It's probably the gesta- I mean ICE

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