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[-] orclev@lemmy.world 126 points 10 months ago

Unfortunately this runs into constitutional problems. While the spineless subhuman creatures in congress and the supreme court seem to have no problem with Trump and his administration ignoring the constitution I fully expect them to come down hard on any state that does so (at least in cases that go against Trump and his policies).

[-] peregrin5@lemm.ee 103 points 10 months ago

Don't have to care about being unconstitutional if you're not part of the union.

[-] orclev@lemmy.world 56 points 10 months ago

That's great in theory but just as unrealistic in practice for California as it always has been for Texas. The single biggest stumbling block for any state to leave the union for any reason is the military. Most of the other problems can be resolved within the borders of the state, but the disposition of existing and theoretical new military hardware, personnel, and bases will always be a sticking point even assuming the federal government and the other states are willing to let them leave.

Any attempt to leave the US that has any hope of succeeding would be a very long and protracted process that would make Brexit look breakneck in comparison. We're talking at least a couple decades at a minimum.

It's either that or another civil war and that has so many variables I'm not sure anyone has any hope of predicting how that would turn out.

[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

That's the problem .... if you are damned if you stay and damned if you leave .... everyone starts weighing the options of either situation

The choices for staying become ... stay and beholden to federal government that ties your hands, manipulates your economy and uses you for their benefit while never allowing you to do what your people want for themselves

or ... secede and fight a political, economic and possibly even a military conflict to decide your own future

either options is terrible in the long run (if things continue as they are) but staying means things stay indefinitely terrible while seceding gives a higher chance of political autonomy.

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[-] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

Leaving the union? Yep you guessed it, unconstitutional. Secession would absolutely cause a war

[-] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

Yeah, if things were so bad that you were considering secession you might as well cut to the chase and just try to overthrow the US government because they would absolutely go after you hard

P.s. for any government officials who read the above comment, I'm not advocating for overthrow of your stupid little clubhouse, I'm pointing out why secession is a bad idea. Also, quit wasting my tax dollars looking at stupid shit.

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[-] PunkRockSportsFan@fanaticus.social 35 points 10 months ago

Constitution? What constitution ?

What’s good for the goose…

[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 27 points 10 months ago

If the union doesn't provide any benefits and only costs money and prevents your state from functioning as well as it could and the union only makes solutions harder to solve ...... why stay in the union?

States stay together because of mutual benefit, not because of a document or promises.

And you could force a state to stay in a union by force but the cost of doing that far outweighs the benefits of a peaceful union.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 15 points 10 months ago

Don't forget they're Democrats.

When the courts rule against them they'll just meekly comply.

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[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago

They could implement this by just not charging the duties at the ports in California and see who blinks first.

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[-] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Let the feds try to enforce it then. Texas immigration officers basically kicked the feds out when they started doing federally illegal shit, the federal government is barely held together these days. Force them to do something about it. If the flow of money between California and the US stops, California is the big winner so they have all the leverage in the world.

[-] boolean_sledgehammer@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

The Trump administration has demonstrated that the constitution doesn't really matter. Why keep pretending like this is some sort of sacred immutable text? The spell has been lifted.

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[-] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 81 points 10 months ago

Last civil war was about state rights to own slaves. Now its state right to avoid trade distribution?

My god the writers need to be fired.

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[-] Tempus_Fugit@midwest.social 77 points 10 months ago

If Trump thinks he's above the Constitution why can't a state?

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

No, there is legal precedence for this

Under NAFTA states could impose their own tariffs because NAFTA was a Federal agreement and countries would have to negotiate free trade with individual states

This is just the reverse of that

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago

As a non-American, the more i learn about US states, the more I realise that the country is more like a reluctant confederation than an actual unified country.

[-] Liz@midwest.social 15 points 10 months ago

Yeah, it made sense when a horse was the fastest way to travel over land. These days? We're stuck with a ridiculous government structure designed when no one knew how democracies worked.

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[-] SirFasy@lemmy.world 74 points 10 months ago

All hail The New California Republic. But in all seriousness, it wouldn't surprise me if the United States has a balkanization event happen in the near future.

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[-] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 59 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It would be ironic if businesses come back to California because of the tariffs.

[-] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 43 points 10 months ago

Thank goodness now we are talking. Time for California to move past the Orange Turd.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 18 points 10 months ago

Turd gonna clamp down on California. He's got to. Otherwise he loses grip.

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[-] PurpleSkull@lemm.ee 39 points 10 months ago

Hope this falls through. Any trade deals that allow the US to circumvent Trumps policies and thus keep his regime going is bad. The big crash needs to happen before people are motivated to fight back. The slow frog boil is what led us here to begin with.

[-] misteloct@lemmy.world 29 points 10 months ago

This IS what fighting back looks like. It takes many forms.

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[-] samuelazers@lemmy.world 31 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

As i read this, i am remembered of Newsom meeting Trump, after he refused to help with Californian wildfires.

[-] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 16 points 10 months ago

Why they all leaning forward except Newsom? lol

[-] rational_lib@lemmy.world 27 points 10 months ago

People misinterpret this image. Newsom isn't point at Trump, he's keeping the stack of people from falling over.

[-] Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Fake news. Some journo hack used photoshop. Here's the original, with Trup standing true and strong despite them all being on a hillside.

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[-] MECHAGODZILLA2@midwest.social 25 points 10 months ago

Anyone speaking of secession - please, read history. We do not want to do that again, I don’t care what you believe in, it is a terrible idea. Please think it through beyond how admittedly awesome it would be in theory alone.

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[-] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 22 points 10 months ago

Secede and then we can trade :)

[-] peteyestee@feddit.org 21 points 10 months ago

Maybe Cali could make an agreement to join Canada or EU.

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[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago

Kudos to California. The neo-Nazi filled MAGA is all about state rights and I hope they tell California to secede.

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[-] NoSpiritAnimal@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago

Would be fun to watch companies from other states bypass the tariffs by buying California products.

Then of course, Trump will propose tariffs on a State.

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[-] CircaV@lemmy.ca 20 points 10 months ago

How would a state secede from the US? Like, what’s the actual process?

[-] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 33 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The state government would put forwards a local movement to secede from the US, and if it actually passed the federal government would butt in and go "you can't secede, that's completely illegal and unconstitutional" (it is), at which point the state would either go "oh well" and stand down or say "go suck eggs" and continue trying to secede, which the federal government would treat as rebellion or insurrection.

[-] laranis@lemmy.zip 28 points 10 months ago

So, easy then! We know insurrections aren't a big deal and have no real consequences. Full steam ahead!

/s just in case

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[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago
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[-] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

Trump has got another great idea. A tax of 1.5 million dollars for each ship made in China that will dock at any American port, or 1 million if the ship is not made in china but the shipper fleet has a majority of Chinese ships.

So, off before they did like California, Panama, Louisiana, new York, those stops will increase the price of shipping by 4.5 million dollars.

Trump thinks that in this way, in a couple weeks, shipyards will reopen in the states and everyone will buy American ships. Because it takes a couple days to build an oil tanker

Result:

They'll just unload the goods in Canada or Mexico then use trains/trucks. For oil and coal and wheat and other stuff that can't be easily transported by land without ax existing infrastructure, that's an additional 20% cost on top of tariffs. Inflation go go go

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[-] Rene@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

EU is already trying to specifically target products from red states with tariffs.

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[-] goldenquetzal@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

Holy shit, my prediction model forecast this. 🍿 This is actually a major step toward derailing this coup.

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