1090
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[-] orclev@lemmy.world 125 points 1 week ago

Unfortunately this runs into constitutional problems. While the spineless subhuman creatures in congress and the supreme court seem to have no problem with Trump and his administration ignoring the constitution I fully expect them to come down hard on any state that does so (at least in cases that go against Trump and his policies).

[-] peregrin5@lemm.ee 103 points 1 week ago

Don't have to care about being unconstitutional if you're not part of the union.

[-] orclev@lemmy.world 55 points 1 week ago

That's great in theory but just as unrealistic in practice for California as it always has been for Texas. The single biggest stumbling block for any state to leave the union for any reason is the military. Most of the other problems can be resolved within the borders of the state, but the disposition of existing and theoretical new military hardware, personnel, and bases will always be a sticking point even assuming the federal government and the other states are willing to let them leave.

Any attempt to leave the US that has any hope of succeeding would be a very long and protracted process that would make Brexit look breakneck in comparison. We're talking at least a couple decades at a minimum.

It's either that or another civil war and that has so many variables I'm not sure anyone has any hope of predicting how that would turn out.

[-] lemmus@lemmy.world 56 points 1 week ago

Water is more of an issue than the military. The US relies heavily on California for food so that would be a bargaining chip.

[-] orclev@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago

Economics in general. California is responsible for a significant chunk of the entire US GDP as well as being one of the primary shipping hubs. My point was more along the lines that these other problems are tractable, you could for instance negotiate trade deals between the rest of the US and California. The military on the other hand is a much tougher problem akin to unscrambling an egg. There's no obvious way to disentangle California from the greater US military.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (4 replies)
[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That's the problem .... if you are damned if you stay and damned if you leave .... everyone starts weighing the options of either situation

The choices for staying become ... stay and beholden to federal government that ties your hands, manipulates your economy and uses you for their benefit while never allowing you to do what your people want for themselves

or ... secede and fight a political, economic and possibly even a military conflict to decide your own future

either options is terrible in the long run (if things continue as they are) but staying means things stay indefinitely terrible while seceding gives a higher chance of political autonomy.

load more comments (4 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
[-] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Leaving the union? Yep you guessed it, unconstitutional. Secession would absolutely cause a war

[-] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

Yeah, if things were so bad that you were considering secession you might as well cut to the chase and just try to overthrow the US government because they would absolutely go after you hard

P.s. for any government officials who read the above comment, I'm not advocating for overthrow of your stupid little clubhouse, I'm pointing out why secession is a bad idea. Also, quit wasting my tax dollars looking at stupid shit.

load more comments (3 replies)
load more comments (9 replies)

Constitution? What constitution ?

What’s good for the goose…

[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 week ago

If the union doesn't provide any benefits and only costs money and prevents your state from functioning as well as it could and the union only makes solutions harder to solve ...... why stay in the union?

States stay together because of mutual benefit, not because of a document or promises.

And you could force a state to stay in a union by force but the cost of doing that far outweighs the benefits of a peaceful union.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago

Don't forget they're Democrats.

When the courts rule against them they'll just meekly comply.

load more comments (3 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago

They could implement this by just not charging the duties at the ports in California and see who blinks first.

load more comments (2 replies)
[-] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Let the feds try to enforce it then. Texas immigration officers basically kicked the feds out when they started doing federally illegal shit, the federal government is barely held together these days. Force them to do something about it. If the flow of money between California and the US stops, California is the big winner so they have all the leverage in the world.

[-] boolean_sledgehammer@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

The Trump administration has demonstrated that the constitution doesn't really matter. Why keep pretending like this is some sort of sacred immutable text? The spell has been lifted.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (6 replies)
[-] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 81 points 1 week ago

Last civil war was about state rights to own slaves. Now its state right to avoid trade distribution?

My god the writers need to be fired.

load more comments (9 replies)
[-] Tempus_Fugit@midwest.social 77 points 1 week ago

If Trump thinks he's above the Constitution why can't a state?

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

No, there is legal precedence for this

Under NAFTA states could impose their own tariffs because NAFTA was a Federal agreement and countries would have to negotiate free trade with individual states

This is just the reverse of that

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago

As a non-American, the more i learn about US states, the more I realise that the country is more like a reluctant confederation than an actual unified country.

[-] Liz@midwest.social 15 points 1 week ago

Yeah, it made sense when a horse was the fastest way to travel over land. These days? We're stuck with a ridiculous government structure designed when no one knew how democracies worked.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (6 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[-] SirFasy@lemmy.world 74 points 1 week ago

All hail The New California Republic. But in all seriousness, it wouldn't surprise me if the United States has a balkanization event happen in the near future.

load more comments (3 replies)
[-] The_Caretaker@lemm.ee 67 points 1 week ago

While I agree with telling Trump to go lick Elon's balls, states are specifically forbidden from entering into trade agreements with foreign countries by the Constitution. To do this, California would need to be willing to secede from the Union. I'm okay with it.

[-] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 53 points 1 week ago

You're implying the constitution has any weight right now (it doesn't)

I'd say fuckin do it

[-] 13igTyme@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

It depends on who's breaking the law/constitution.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

And it's the same for the European union. European states can't get trade agreements by themselves. So when you read "Italy is ready to talk with trump" is just sucking dick

[-] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

Merkel had to explain that to Trump 11 times last time he was president. I bet he forgot it again.

load more comments (3 replies)
load more comments (3 replies)
[-] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 59 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It would be ironic if businesses come back to California because of the tariffs.

[-] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 43 points 1 week ago

Thank goodness now we are talking. Time for California to move past the Orange Turd.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 week ago

Turd gonna clamp down on California. He's got to. Otherwise he loses grip.

load more comments (4 replies)
[-] PurpleSkull@lemm.ee 39 points 1 week ago

Hope this falls through. Any trade deals that allow the US to circumvent Trumps policies and thus keep his regime going is bad. The big crash needs to happen before people are motivated to fight back. The slow frog boil is what led us here to begin with.

[-] misteloct@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago

This IS what fighting back looks like. It takes many forms.

load more comments (2 replies)
[-] samuelazers@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

As i read this, i am remembered of Newsom meeting Trump, after he refused to help with Californian wildfires.

[-] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 week ago

Why they all leaning forward except Newsom? lol

[-] rational_lib@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago

People misinterpret this image. Newsom isn't point at Trump, he's keeping the stack of people from falling over.

[-] Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Fake news. Some journo hack used photoshop. Here's the original, with Trup standing true and strong despite them all being on a hillside.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[-] deepfuckingdumb@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago

This is based on a quote "look at new opportunities to expand trade" and a tweet "California is here and ready to talk." How definitive do those two things sound? How definitive does Newsweek's title sound?

Newsweek is a gossip rag.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] MECHAGODZILLA2@midwest.social 25 points 1 week ago

Anyone speaking of secession - please, read history. We do not want to do that again, I don’t care what you believe in, it is a terrible idea. Please think it through beyond how admittedly awesome it would be in theory alone.

load more comments (3 replies)
[-] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 week ago

Secede and then we can trade :)

[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

Kudos to California. The neo-Nazi filled MAGA is all about state rights and I hope they tell California to secede.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] NoSpiritAnimal@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

Would be fun to watch companies from other states bypass the tariffs by buying California products.

Then of course, Trump will propose tariffs on a State.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] peteyestee@feddit.org 21 points 1 week ago

Maybe Cali could make an agreement to join Canada or EU.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] CircaV@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 week ago

How would a state secede from the US? Like, what’s the actual process?

[-] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The state government would put forwards a local movement to secede from the US, and if it actually passed the federal government would butt in and go "you can't secede, that's completely illegal and unconstitutional" (it is), at which point the state would either go "oh well" and stand down or say "go suck eggs" and continue trying to secede, which the federal government would treat as rebellion or insurrection.

[-] laranis@lemmy.zip 28 points 1 week ago

So, easy then! We know insurrections aren't a big deal and have no real consequences. Full steam ahead!

/s just in case

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (9 replies)
[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago
load more comments (4 replies)
[-] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

Trump has got another great idea. A tax of 1.5 million dollars for each ship made in China that will dock at any American port, or 1 million if the ship is not made in china but the shipper fleet has a majority of Chinese ships.

So, off before they did like California, Panama, Louisiana, new York, those stops will increase the price of shipping by 4.5 million dollars.

Trump thinks that in this way, in a couple weeks, shipyards will reopen in the states and everyone will buy American ships. Because it takes a couple days to build an oil tanker

Result:

They'll just unload the goods in Canada or Mexico then use trains/trucks. For oil and coal and wheat and other stuff that can't be easily transported by land without ax existing infrastructure, that's an additional 20% cost on top of tariffs. Inflation go go go

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] Rene@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

EU is already trying to specifically target products from red states with tariffs.

load more comments (5 replies)
[-] goldenquetzal@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Holy shit, my prediction model forecast this. 🍿 This is actually a major step toward derailing this coup.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments
view more: next ›
this post was submitted on 04 Apr 2025
1090 points (100.0% liked)

News

28599 readers
3008 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil


Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.


2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.


Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.


Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.


Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.


5. Only recent news is allowed.


Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.


6. All posts must be news articles.


No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.


7. No duplicate posts.


If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.


8. Misinformation is prohibited.


Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.


9. No link shorteners.


The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.


10. Don't copy entire article in your post body


For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS