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They need to seriously quit this bullshit. It serves no practical purpose in our modern society, while also having tangible negative effects. So why keep doing it?
I enthusiastically support getting rid of this nonsense.
it never actually served a practical purpose. It was argued about then, too.
More daylight in summer rocks. It would be equally rocking in Winter. The clocks shoud stay forward.
But wouldn't it be neat if midnight was att 00:00 and mid day was 12:00?
Also, you don't get more daylight by moving the clock. You get more clock.
Time of day is a human invention. We can assign the date lines wherever we like.
Like Japan was nuts. Dark at 3pm in winter. Light at 3am in summer. They'd benefit by shifting that shit two hours forward for sure.
I disagree. The angle of the sun is not a human invention. Trying to invent something from scratch based on that, I would definitely mark one time as "the darkest" and another "the lightest".
I agree that hours, and therefore date lines and time zones are completely arbitrary though.
If we didn't have hours we'd still need a way to group times by geographic or political regions; my example above still needs to handle the "lightest where?" question.
I think my conclusion is that organizing people and societies is arbitrary by nature.
It would be neater though to try to make midnight and mid day the basis for which we measure time. Stepping off of that makes it even more arbitrary.
We're not disagreeing then. I'm just saying some date lines aren't in the right place in general, but what really matters most? What are our priorities? I don't think most light and most dark is better, even if it were possible to get every time zone just right.
I feel like having a life, and kids being able to play for longer after school without it being dark throughout the summer is pretty awesome.
It's that or have school and work finish earlier. I'm all for that, lol.
Mid-day should be the middle of the day. Mid-night should be the middle of the night.
If you like more light in the ~~evening~~ morning go to bed late and wake up late. If you like light in the ~~morning~~ evening, go to bed early and wake up early.
Stop fucking with the clocks and making nonsensible decisions
Mid-day should be the middle of the day. Mid-night should be the middle of the night.
You'd need new clocks, those times drift every day, so 12:00 midday would need to change automatically.
Yeah this comment makes no sense lol who is upvoting this?
There are a lot of regions that are put into the wrong time zone, because that's easier for business. They're not even close to 12:00 being the middle of the day especially during DST.
Yes, but the EU is split into four time zones now and if you implement this technically there would be many more:
8 if we'd have 30-min time-zones 16 if we'd have 15-min time-zones 24 if we'd have 10-min time-zones 48 if we'd have 5-min time-zones 240 if we'd have 1-min time-zones
I'm not saying we should keep dst, but we can't have everyone have midday at 12:00 and midnight at 00:00.
You can keep 1 hour time zones just fine. It still puts noon within 1 hour of mid day, which you don’t get with DST.
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my problem with that is thats not really up to me, if i have to be up for work or down for work in a given time. and id love to leave work and have a bit of sunlight left.
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The simple fact is that on the Monday after DST starts, more people have heart attacks and strokes.
Meaning that not going away from it means people will continue to die from it.
I wasn't sure if you were joking, but nope: https://newsroom.heart.org/news/heres-your-wake-up-call-daylight-saving-time-may-impact-your-heart-health
I will never understand why people want the time we only use for 3 months to be the time we use for the whole year. I would rather people just be able to admit that December is dark (for the northern hemisphere) and we can do shit at a different time.
I literally couldn’t care less which time we pick, I just want the madness to STOP
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wdym 3 months? both CET and CEST are used approximately half a year
In North America DST is used from second Sunday of March until first Sunday of November.
This means there are 239 days in DST, and 126 days out of DST in 2025. Close to 2 to 1 ratio.
I know it's different with CEST and CET, and it sucks even more donkeyballs there, when the sun sets around 4PM (instead of 5) regardless.
DST should really be the standard in most places. You want more sunlight in the afternoon, not in the morning.
I prefer more sunlight in the morning. It's better for your circadian rhythm and it is easier to wake up when it's bright outside.
I'd definitely prefer more sunlight in the morning. It's 6:45am right now and the sun hasn't even risen yet and won't start for another half hour.
Meanwhile, more sunlight later in the day is often gone to waste anyway, between work/commute/dinner/etc. It's especially wasteful later in the summer... You already have sunlight super late in the day anyway.
But honestly, I would take either as long as it stops changing.
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Yep, the “standard” time should definitely be what we currently call daylight saving.
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To people thinking of enforcing UTC around the globe:
obligatory: https://qntm.org/abolish
Before I read this article, I also thought it would be a great idea to get rid of timezones entirely and just use UTC for everything. To quote from the link,
Abolishing time zones brings many benefits, I hope. It also:
- causes the question “What time is it there?” to be useless/unanswerable
- necessitates significant changes to the way in which normal people talk about time
- convolutes timetables, where present
- means “days” (of the week) are no longer the same as “days”
- complicates both secular and religious law
- is a staggering inconvenience for a minimum of five billion people
- makes it near-impossible to reason about time in other parts of the world
- does not mean everybody gets up at the same time, goes to work at the same time, or goes to bed at the same time
- is not simpler.
As long as humans live in more than one part of the world, solar time is always going to be subjective. Abolishing time zones only exacerbates this problem.
(copied from one of my 9-month old comments)
I mean the best refute of it I've ever heard is that the date changes in the middle of the day, and that sounds miserable
UTC all around the world is a completely different thing than UTC (or UTC+1) all over Europe. China also spans just over three natural timezones and they get by just fine with one.
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I have a taxi company. On one night, one of my drivers did two jobs, one dispatched at 00:15, the other at 00:45, and he clocked off at 02:15. How long was he working for?
A) 1 hour
B) 2 hours
C) 3 hours
D) 2 hours 30 minutes
E) any of the above
American here, trick question, it's E. Irrelevant, the driver is only paid through tips and the employer doesn't pay payroll taxes, so his working hours are of no consequence.
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I live in a non-DST area and it is very nice
I fucking hate it
I would have never known if it wasn't because a coworker told me or because of articles like these. My cat wakes me up at 7- 7:30 and he did that this morning too, so I was very surprised that I slept only 7 hours instead of 8 (before I knew). But the funnits part is that my cat followed DST haha
Your cat must be in on the conspiracy. Perhaps even part of the deep state.
The thing I don't get is why it happens in the summer rather than the winter.
In the UK it gets dark at about 4pm in winter. We basically get no leisure time during daylight but we do get a bit of light during getting ready for work time when we don't really need it.
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I like DST. I like having sunlight later into the evening during the summer.
The objection isn’t to DST, it’s to switching back and forth. Just pick one and stick with it.
Yeah, as someone with a circadian rythm disorder DST time changes kinda destroy me. Every single year, twice a year.
I'm hoping the US manages to get rid of it, we had a bill to do just that get unexpectedly far, before stalling out I think :/
Sending love from the US, y'all take care :)
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I think most people just don't like the time changes twice a year. Permanent standard time or summer time doesn't matter as much to me, just pick one and stay with it.
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No one is complaining about when we all gain an hours sleep in Autumn
I do. I can't stand it because where I live it means I will no longer see the sun. Not to even mention how much it sucks ass from a mental standpoint to get out of work and have it be dark. I could not care less if I see a tiny bit of sunlight on my way to work lol. I've had multiple jobs where once ST hits, I'm going to work and coming home in darkness. I literally dont see the sun until the weekend. Imo give me whichever option that maximizes sunlight during most people's free time.
give me whichever option that maximizes sunlight during most people's free time
That’s not changed by adjusting clocks, it’s changed by adjusting work hours.
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I have never liked it.
As a person, I don't like the inconsistency.
As a developer, I don't like to not be able to use the local time as a consistent way to order data.
As a father, I don't like to have to adjust a daily routine of my baby who has just reached a good 24 hour schedule.
You'll trade one day of one extra hour of sleep for increased misery all winter long?
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