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[-] Elbow1240@lemmy.zip 200 points 11 months ago

If the app is defective, then that's on the Trump admin for using it to communicate sensitive information.

[-] TheFogan@programming.dev 59 points 11 months ago

Yeah, it is defective... or at least not up to the task of security for classified information... not to mention not compliant with record keeping laws, that's the whole fricking point.

The big play they are trying is to put the emphasis of the fail on adding the journalist... that wasn't the crime, it was a demonstration of why it is a crime, and it is how he got caught. Using signal for war/attack plans was the crime.

[-] forked_bytes@lemm.ee 33 points 11 months ago

The real crime was killing innocent civilians in Yemen but I guess nobody cares.

[-] TheFogan@programming.dev 13 points 11 months ago

Well that too, but sadly we are at the point where that is normal and goes back several administrations. The signal usage for military communications reaching public knowledge is something unique to this situation (of which i won't fully discount the possibility that it may indeed have started prior to this administration)

[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io 3 points 11 months ago

When someone fires rockets at you, you should either give them what they want so they stop or ignore it.

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[-] loutr@jlai.lu 16 points 11 months ago

The app itself and its protocol are very secure. It's no wonder WhatsApp chose to implement it instead of baking their own. The issue here is that Signal is not designed to be used for top secret stuff, where adversaries with practically unlimited resources will specifically target your device. There's no auditing features, there's no safeguard if you add a group member by mistake, ...

[-] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 7 points 11 months ago

Evidence is out there in the papers and the internet for everyone to see, next they deny the report and the texts are real despite previously acknowledging them and claiming that nothing of importance was discussed.

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[-] ChillPenguin@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago

Yes but accountability doesn't exist for him. Ever. For some fuckin reason.

[-] Armok_the_bunny@lemmy.world 75 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

That didn't happen.

And if it did, it wasn't that bad.

And if it was, that's not a big deal.

And if it is, that's not my fault. <- You are here

And if it was, I didn't mean it.

And if I did, you deserved it.

[-] BrokenGlepnir@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

You fool he's playing two of these steps at once. Both step 4 and step 1. Still claiming it was a "witch hunt" while also making it not his fault. 100 quadtrabillion IQ (a very object way to measure intellect) move you liberal/LEFTIST/sjw wokie. Check mate, and GOOOOOOOOAAALLL. Hahahaha.

I'm so sorry.

[-] Armok_the_bunny@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

You forgot the whining about DEI.

[-] BrokenGlepnir@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

I obviously only forgot because the DEI hire I hired the last time he was president didn't sit behind me reminding me, which is Joe Biden's fault. Whoever the 45th president was obviously screwed up the deal.

[-] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 6 points 11 months ago

In this case Trump doesn't use computers, doesn't know how to use a smartphone, probably doesn't know what an app is or what open source means or what end-to-end encryption means. So basically be has no conceptual basis to even form a passable understanding of what this scandal is about, let alone form a coherent opinion, and he probably lost patience early on when someone tried to explain it to him.

[-] Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world 52 points 11 months ago

A witch hunt is when you don't know for sure if anyone did anything wrong. Not when you have physical evidence of exactly who did exactly what wrong. That's just a "case" then.

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 39 points 11 months ago

Ok. Break into my Signal chats, without access to my phone. Go.

Oh wait: you can’t.

[-] Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io 22 points 11 months ago

The defect he's searching for is a back door. Not gonna happen. Everyone, please use and support Signal, says the guy who has been getting people on Signal since Snowden rec'd it in 2015 (https://www.tomshardware.com/news/edward-snowden-favorite-security-tools,30507.html). I had to look it up.

The other tools in this recommendation: Tor OTR TAILS Qubes OS

I'll leave it to others to comment on the viability of the rest, and Signal has gotten an enormous 'signal boost' from Signalgate, so I'll count that as a win.

[-] forwhomthecattolls@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago

I've used QubesOS, Tails and Tor all extensively and they are all incredible. based on what I've seen, it's best not to use Tor on its own unless you're entirely sure of how you plan to use it - reason being that misconfiguring it can deanonymize you, so it's best to stick with Tails for sensitive Tor activities and the Tor Browser for less sensitive stuff - Tails forces the whole system to interface with the internet via the Tor network so you don't leak network traffic onto the clearnet when you're doing silly business.

also a little shout out to Orbot which is a Tor router app for Android that will allow you to connect your whole phone over the Tor network (or just a single app). This is huge especially if you're being censored in another country and want to use Signal or another app that doesn't support Tor already.

happy routing :D

[-] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 9 points 11 months ago

This is a reasonable reply to a nonsense statement. Signal is plenty secure for us and whatever we need to do with it. It is not secure enough, nor authorized, for classified information.

[-] Hawke@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

I dunno if I would consider “user error” as a security flaw in the software.

[-] feannag@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 months ago

No, but it still isn't secure enough for classified information. The protocol is probably fine, but the weak point is the device. And the device can be compromised. Devices rated for classified systems never touch the public internet which makes them significantly less susceptible to being compromised.

[-] charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works 38 points 11 months ago

what a fucking orange cunt

[-] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 36 points 11 months ago
[-] thallamabond@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Pentagon-wide advisory sent to staffers on March 18 — less than a week before the screwup went public — explicitly warned against using Signal for any sharing of information, classified or not.

The advisory claimed that a "vulnerability has been identified in the Signal messenger application," and that Russian hacking groups were "targeting Signal Messenger to spy on persons of interest" (a Signal spokesperson told NPR that the company wasn't "aware of any vulnerabilities or supposed ones that we haven't addressed publicly.")

https://futurism.com/the-byte/pentagon-issued-warning-signal-messaging

[-] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

If it could be broken so easily then WTF is your administration using it in the first place, dumbass.

Deny, deflect, diffuse. That's all they do. Lie, lie, lie. Anything to avoid any kind of accountability.

[-] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 3 points 11 months ago

They want an encrypted comms channel they can invite any of their oligarch friends into. There is no encryption strong enough to solve the problem with this premise.

[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago

The only thing that is defective is the entire administration.

[-] wanderwisley@lemm.ee 20 points 10 months ago

Trumps brain is defective.

[-] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 10 months ago

The words of a man who doesn’t understand FOSS.

[-] Carrolade@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

Good. He's overusing his "witch hunt" rhetoric, in a situation where it's unusually easy for anybody to verify the details for oneself.

[-] Azwing@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Orange man brain box defective.

[-] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 11 months ago
[-] Wilco@lemm.ee 10 points 11 months ago

Trump is an idiot.

[-] Zenodyne@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

I didn’t wanna sound like a conspiracy theorist, but as soon as the news dropped last week about this, I did have the thought, “Maybe this is all a stunt to try and get Signal banned.”

[-] Zahille7@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears

[-] Sgarcnl@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Why did he miss

[-] JailElonMusk@sopuli.xyz 6 points 11 months ago

Could it just be that their brains are defective?

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

Well SecDef is a current or former alcoholic, so.

[-] ArtVandelay@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

He still is, but he used to be too

[-] KulunkelBoom@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago

Trump lies. Daily. On the hour. Film at 11:00.

[-] st3ph3n@midwest.social 6 points 11 months ago

Everything's a witch hunt with this motherfucker.

[-] Ooops@feddit.org 3 points 11 months ago

I guess I'll look for some guys on the street to invite them to trash my place and then sue my landlord for providing an defective door... 🤣

[-] distantsounds@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

If you could please explain how that is any better..

[-] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

Sounds like this needs to be a daily headline. Anything that makes the Orange Turd uncomfortable is a good thing.

[-] Numinous_Ylem@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Lies and bullshit and lies and insults and bullshit and more bullshit. Anything that comes out of his mouth is one of those three; whatever is convenient at the time.

[-] Rooskie91@discuss.online 2 points 11 months ago

Lol this guy doesn't know what signal is.

[-] Transtronaut 2 points 11 months ago

So he admits to being a witch...

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