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Please do not disturb the migratory fruits
I'm gonna cast doubt on this. It happened too conveniently after people figured out long distance sea travel.
If they would have floated it's much more likely that it happened somewhere in the last million years rather than the last 500.
Yes, it is wrong. It was the result of the sea migrations of the Astronesians
35 million years of coconuts in Asia and they didn't float over until after traders established shipping routes to Asia?
Yes, but for human related reasons. Humans moved them around a lot in Africa and Asia - moving them from Southeast Asia to India and Madagascar is bound to have an impact on the currents they get caught up in.
are you proposing some kind of Columbus effect where people heading to India will occasionally end up in Taino land by accident
So thanks to humans more coconuts went for a swim?
According to the first article that popped up in the search results the most likely theory is portugese traders brought them over from madagascar.
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Do you're telling me that it had nothing to do with swallows being either European or African?!
It could grip it by the husk.
It’s not a matter of where it grips it! It’s a matter of weight ratios!
I’m so glad that this 50-year-old joke is still funny.
Good jokes never die, nor do Black Knights.
...we'll call it a draw.
What are you gonna do, bleed on me?!
What's not funny is how old I feel now
A five ounce bird could not carry a 1 pound coconut.
Depends. Does the coconut weigh more than a duck?
Who are you who is so wise in the ways of science?
I don't know, I wasn't expecting some kind of Spanish Inquisition.
No one ever does
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Not accurate. They were taken by Astronesians during their seaborne migrations.
Read more here
It also plays a central role in the Coconut Religion founded in 1963 in Vietnam.
follows the Coconut Religion link
The Coconut Religion was founded in 1963 by Vietnamese mystic and scholar Nguyễn Thành Nam,[1] also known as the Coconut Monk,[2][3] His Coconutship,[4] Prophet of Concord,[4] and Uncle Hai[4] (1909 – 1990[5]).
Oh, come the fuck on, now
Coconutship
Definitely a sex cult.
Repressed memory unlocked.
I was wondering how the heck coconuts journeyed around the southern passages for what would have been probably years on ocean currents and arrive in the caribbean still viable for growth.
Or carried by a sparrow.
Not really gonna happen.
Is that an African or a European sparrow?
Neither, it's a Swallow. Still unclear if it's African or European though
A five ounce bird could not carry a 1 pound coconut.
They took the Panama Canal, obviously.
A swallow could grip it by the husk
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So the coconuts migrated, but the majority population of many of the islands were taken there as cargo?
Oof, good point
they only think coconuts floated over on their own 500 years ago because austronesians are supernaturally invisible to white people
Bingo. I thought this was interesting and went looking for more information and its fake. They were brought to other parts of the world, first by austronesians and later by European sailors.
Someone in this thread needs to say who austronesians are
Edit:
The Austronesian peoples, sometimes referred to as Austronesian-speaking peoples, are a large group of peoples who have settled in Taiwan, maritime Southeast Asia, parts of mainland Southeast Asia, Micronesia, coastal New Guinea, Island Melanesia, Polynesia, and Madagascar that speak Austronesian languages. They also include indigenous ethnic minorities in Vietnam, Cambodia, Myanmar, Thailand, Hainan, the Comoros, and the Torres Strait Islands. The nations and territories predominantly populated by Austronesian-speaking peoples are sometimes known collectively as Austronesia.
They're basically the proto Pacific Islanders. It's believed that their civilizations all trace back to a group of people from the island of Taiwan/Formosa, who learned how to sail over the deep ocean and set up new communities, bringing chickens, pigs, taro, coconuts.
They settled modern day Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines, as far west as Madagascar, to Melanesia, Micronesia, and Polynesia, and most of the other Pacific Islands, as far east as Easter Island. Native Hawaiians, Samoans, Guamese, etc., are all Austronesian. Most ethnic groups considered native to these islands trace back to Austronesian expansion.
There are shared linguistic and cultural ties that showed that they had recent comment ancestry, that has since been confirmed by DNA genealogy.
Makes a lot more sense than ASTROnesians, as spelled above, which makes them sound like aliens. Which is silly, because everyone knows aliens only land in either densely populated metropolitan areas (NYC, Tokyo, etc) or in the desert near Area 51.
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No swallows necessary
That's not what my partner says uwu
Caribbean from Asia? did they take the Panama Canal 400 years before it was built? there is not path that isn't crazy
Asia via the Pacific to the Americas, then a swallow grabs one and brings it to the Atlantic coast.
African, or European?
They went around the horn like a real man!
There's a current originating in Indian ocean flowing south of Africa to the gulf of Mexico, before proceeding north east between Iceland and Great Britain. It's why Scandinavia is so much warmer than the same latitude in the Americas. I'm 55 north in Denmark, and have hardly seen snow this winter, meanwhile Edmonton in Canada is 2° south of that.
Coconuts bobbing around the south of Africa is pretty wild, but not implausible.
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This is nuts!
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