The camps aren't on American soil so it's only sparkling fascism.

"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."

The difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter is usually perspective.

We need to remember that we're We the People. Fuck the Democratic politicians if they won't fight for us. Fuck the traitor Republican politicians if they threaten us.

Ask 1930s Germans how bad it needs to get.

Id argue Americans are even more gaslit and deluded than they were with modern for profit media combined with captured government pulpits.

I truly think the average American would sooner burn their own children alive than protest/disempower their capitalist fascist oppressors gutting their very lives for an extra nickel. For profit media says the fault of our problems are all the powerless homeless neighbors we've all collectively betrayed lowering property values with their continued immoral existence as they produce no value other than to scare everyone else back to their jobs every day.

Wouldn't want to be accused of being a filthy SOCIAList that wants to be part of a SOCiety after all. Why live together when we can die alone at each other's throats hoping the next lottery ticket or third side gig will make us a big winnah!

I will never, never forget all the domestic politicians using their pulpits when covid hit to assure everyone that they will do everything possible to protect our beloved ~~society people children future~~ economy, with basically no pushback 🤮

So, do the people who, in this hypothetical scenario, get sent there wait it out in that prison for the U.S. courts to argue the case, charge and convict the low level officials, and then.. send a bailiff or strongly worded letter to El Salvador?

I hope you're right, but they will likely try. And the Rule of law has been eroded more and more. They already openly defied a court order to send Venezuelan people to the El Salvador work camp. They gloated about it, too.

And that was all without due process. Some even had hearings scheduled and still got deported into slavery.

Now that he successfully tested the waters with this, I'm not so sure about trusting the rule of law in the US.

I want to agree with you, but why can't he? The courts aren't saying, "You can send these people to El Salvador because immigrants have fewer rights." The courts are saying, "They have rights, you can't send them there," and his admin is ignoring them. What's to stop an attempt to deport citizens?

I don't want to be blackpilled, but public backlash hasn't amounted to enough. Hopefully a greater public backlash will matter, but it seems like people don't recognize how dire the situation really is.

Pretty sure he's already shipped legal green card holders already. At the very least it just takes a clerical error to label a citizen incorrectly to accomplish the same thing. And that was even in the face of a court order explicitly telling him not to do that. He just ignored it.

He literally already did. Legal US residents were shipped off to a concentration camp with no trial or due process. This is despite a judge ruling that he "can't."

He can. He did. He will again if we let him.

He can. They're basically just kidnapping people and whisking them out of the country before they have time to get legal representation or take it to court. And if a court does manage to rule that the deportations are illegal, Trump's forces ignore it and deport the people anyway. The only way to stop it is to physically obstruct the deportations, but who is doing that?

Trump has already started ignoring the courts. The rule of law no longer applies in the USA.

Game it out.

Say he does this.

Say someone sues. Say they rule against Trump. Say it’s appealed, all the way to the Supreme Court, eventually, and say they actually take the case and rule against him in, at best, a narrow 5-4 ruling.

That’s pretty unlikely. And the defendant will have been in prison a long time, already. And he could just bring them back without much fanfare, as this is a hundred controversies back.

And say he defies the order, especially if the Supreme Court refuses to take it… Then what? Is congress going to harass him for a immigration case? That is political suicide, and the congresspeople would be at real risk of physical retribution too.

This is what populist, fascist dictatorships do. They can’t get away with everything, but they constantly push the envelope and game the systems, hence the orders he is already starting to push.

Obama, Biden, Bush, even Trump on 2016 couldn’t do this because the political support from a base wasn’t there, but now it is.

Hey, I see that you're mad about the people responding to you, but it's vital that you understand that the constitution is dead, the republic is over, we have a king now. We're maybe, generously, months from Congress dissolving itself at Trump's request. At this point, the Trump administration can and will do whatever they want; when there are no consequences for violating the law, the law does not exist. It's up to us, the people, to make them second guess and wonder if there will be consequences- in a better scenario, they would know there would be consequences, but I think we're past that.

All it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.

He's already doing it.

It's not a gulag, it's a sparkling work camp

I kinda want to dare them to deport me, a relatively well off white heterosexual male multi-gen native born US citizen, just so I have the pleasure of suing the ever loving fuck out of the government on as many fronts as are legally feasible. Every single minute infraction committed will be a knock-down, drag-out affair.

FIrst, the tough guy act impresses nobody. How well do you think you're going to do as a white boy that doesn't speak Spanish in a prison cell with 79 Venezuelan and El Salvadoran gang members? You'll be lucky if you survive the week.

Second, you'll never have a chance to sue. Trump isn't giving that option. He is arresting these people and deporting them to El Salvador before he even figures out who the hell they are. We can't even confirm they are even documenting who is being sent there. They could just be picking random people who look brown enough or who have the "wrong" tattoos, throwing them on a plane, and shipping them off. There's no court case involved. You'll be sitting in a cell, in El Salvador, 23.5 hours a day, 7 days a week. Forever. With no access to communication. No access to family visits. No access to a lawyer. How the fuck you gonna sue? You'll be lucky if you ever even talk to someone who speaks English again.

Maybe your family can sue on your behalf, if they even know where you are or what happened to you. Good luck with that. Maybe, Maybe if you're lucky, you'll be the .0000001% of cases the SC actually hears. After years of legal wrangling (where you'll be sitting in that cell the entire time for), the Supreme Court may very well issue a ruling for Donald Trump to completely ignore.

And the US courts have no jurisdiction over El Salvador's prisons. A US court demand for the release would just be met with being told to fuck right off.

Dude, these people are being disappeared. That means they're gone. Good luck ever seeing them again. Even as a white guy, you would suffer untold horrors we can't comprehend.

Anecdotally, I was a wild youngin decades ago and went to county jail for two weeks. Even jail was horrible, and they treat you like you're subhuman. It's freezing all the time, the showers are kept purposely boiling hot, and the food is inedible as it's pure sugar garbage. The loser guards finally have a leg up on other people and make sure they get their payback for their shitty lives. You poop and pee in public. As a woman, they literally limited the pads you could use, so I just bled through.

Now imagine you remove all those luxuries I just complained about, and you've got this type of prison.

I don't think you fully grasp the situation. You still seem to think that there are consequences for Trump when he breaks the law, and that the legal system in the US is still in-tact enough to grant you not only your freedom, but some compensation for your rights being trampled.

Yes, it is outrageously illegal for him to abduct Americans and send them to a black site on foreign soil with no due process. But he spent his entire last term positioning himself to be able to do and get away with outrageously illegal things this time around. He controls the department of justice and the supreme court. The supreme court has already given him an incredibly wide blanket for presidential immunity.

You might think "well, that's ok - as soon as the story gets out, people will be rioting in the streets!", but you have to remember that "independent media" is a thing that doesn't really exist anymore. All of the major news sources in print and on television are owned by a small handful of billionaires, and he is very good at keeping billionaires on side. Any information that gets out there will be downplayed immediately, and the news will be forgotten in a couple of days to be replaced by the latest shocking celebrity news or the latest atrocity Trump has committed.

You probably would get out eventually (provided you don't get sick and die or get beat to death by the guards or shanked or something), but you would be far, far worse off for the experience. The dream of vindication you'd get for sticking it to Trump would vanish like mist in the sun and you'd be left with the heart-wrenching reality that the life you had previously known is over, and you are at the mercy of the barbarians now.