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Trump says Putin launching massive strike on Ukraine is ‘what anybody would do’ (www.theguardian.com)

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Donald Trump has said Vladimir Putin was “doing what anybody would do” after Russia launched a massive missile and drone strike on Ukraine days after the US cut off vital intelligence and military aid to Kyiv.

Speaking to reporters in the Oval Office on Friday Trump said he finds it “easier” to work with Russia than Ukraine and that Putin “wants to end the war”.

“I’m finding it more difficult, frankly, to deal with Ukraine. And they don’t have the cards,” Trump said. “In terms of getting a final settlement, it may be easier dealing with Russia.”

Asked whether the Russian leader was taking advantage of the pause in US intelligence sharing and military aid to Ukraine, Trump replied: “I actually think he is doing what anybody else would do.”

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[-] wirebeads@lemmy.ca 151 points 1 week ago

I mean, if Putin just wants to stop fighting, he could completely just you know: stop fucking fighting.

He’s the invader. He’s the fucking aggressor. Ukraine would happily stop fighting as they don’t want to fight.

Donald Trump is top tier fucking stupid and top tier Russian asset.

[-] Placebonickname@lemmy.world 42 points 1 week ago

Russia almost cannot “stop” if it means getting nothing. If they do Putin will lose support and money from his oligarchs/bitches.

[-] futatorius@lemm.ee 8 points 1 week ago

If they do Putin will lose support and money from his oligarchs/bitches.

That's Putin's problem. Let him join the defenstration-fest, the bloodthirsty greedhead, and Trump with him.

[-] Placebonickname@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

I actually thought we should’ve had Putin assassinated years ago, but nobody cares what I think. I’m just an asshole who got kicked off of Reddit

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[-] NimdaQA@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I mean, as if anyone or their mother would realistically accept Zelenskyy's 10 point peace nonsense.

Putin meanwhile gave out very lenient peace terms in 2022, probably the most lenient peace terms of all time in fact, so lenient, Ukraine would have kept all of its territory with even the status of Crimea being negotiable after 10-15 years and future Russian aggression would encounter a problem, the peace treaty would have the US and the UK, as guarantors, who were obliged to assist Ukraine in case of aggression against it. While the Russian Federation attempted to add on another condition where all guarantor states including Russia itself would have to agree to intervene in Ukraine possibily giving Russia the ability to veto other countries from aiding Ukraine in the event Russia broke the agreement, they were likely willing to drop that condition. Throughout the negotiations, Russia was actually dropping many of their previous demands and compromised with Ukraine on multiple occasions (unlike Zelenskyy who didn't even invite Putin to his peace summits, kinda like the Russia-US peace summits rn).

If they didn't want to fight, why not accept this lenient peace offer?

Now what was the outcome of Zelenskyy continuing the war? Right, Putin now says that Ukraine will lose land.

[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 53 points 1 week ago

Putin meanwhile gave out very lenient peace terms in 2022

Putin invaded in 2014 seizing Crimea. Ukraine did not attack Russia.

Putin invaded Donbas and Luhansk just months later. Ukraine signed multiple peace deals which Putin violated at that time.

Putin performed a full scale invasion of Ukraine in Feb 2022.

Nothing about Putin has offered peace terms for Ukraine that Putin honors. He'll keep violating any "peace" deals until he controls all of Ukraine or he's dead.

[-] adespoton@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 week ago

And nations are now realizing that Trump doesn’t fall far from the tree. He just prefers assets to land.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

He just prefers assets to land.

Make no mistake, Trump wants land too (and even more so the strategic power it affords, such as control of trade routes). That's why he's threatening to annex Greenland, the Panama canal zone, and Canada.

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[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago

The russian apologist strikes again...

[-] adespoton@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 week ago

Well at least someone is apologizing; Russia doesn’t appear to have any intention to do so.

[-] CarnivorousCouch@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago

Begone, propagandist. Peace is elusive because the Russian government has engineered the situation to be so. That you think they were "likely" to drop an obvious showstopper clause means absolutely nothing; the actual parties to the negotiation clearly did not feel that to be true.

For others who want more insight on how the 2022 talks unfolded: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/06/15/world/europe/ukraine-russia-ceasefire-deal.html

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[-] forrgott@lemm.ee 28 points 1 week ago

Remind me - how many times has Putin actually kept to the terms of a ceasefire? Cause that's exactly what he's known for.

In the end, we all know:

-Putin is an asshole

-Ukraine did not pose the slightest military threat, and were not the aggressors

So, when it comes down to it, fuck Putin and his so called "lenient" terms. Bruising Putin's ego is not, in fact, a crime.

Everyone knows Putin will not settle for peace. He just wants to fix supply side issues to continue the offensive. You know this. It's not that you don't see the evil in that man; you defend it because you support it anyway.

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[-] Floon@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 week ago

Russian troll, nothing to see here.

[-] NimdaQA@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Yes because everyone you disagree with, is a Russian troll.

[-] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago

Oh honey, you int fooling anyone.

[-] Today@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Did Trump write this?

[-] futatorius@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago

Too literate. This bozo at least writes at a high-school level.

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[-] WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

2 day old account spewing this dribble

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Are you actually functionally retarded or was there a lobotomy involved?

[-] ech@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago

They're being an apologist piece of shit, but it doesn't justify ableism like that.

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I mean, if Putin just wants to stop fighting, he could completely just you know: stop fucking fighting.

I cannot imagine a world in which Russia withdraws from the front lines and Ukrainian militants just call it a day. Way too much blood on the ground for people to just turn themselves off and call it done.

If Putin extended an offer that didn't involve him eating the barrel of his own gun, Zelenskyy's own guys would lynch him for taking it.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

Well, obviously Ukraine would chase the invaders back to the pre-2014 borders and then stop.

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[-] marcianojones@lemmy.org 8 points 1 week ago

Didn't they just stop fighting in ww1 ? I don't think its the same but not impossible. True Putin should retreat and leave the Ukrainian soil.

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[-] Devanismyname@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago

Everyone who believes this shit is a victim of severe brainwashing. Nobody, not even an actual mental retard, would believe what Trump and putin are saying. It's because Trump followers are victims of brainwashing. They are mentally ill.

[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 84 points 1 week ago

Against an enemy who just lost funding and intelligence. No shit, you fucking psychopath.

[-] ToadOfHypnosis@lemm.ee 68 points 1 week ago

Could he be more of a bitch to Putin? For all his egomaniacal fragile masculinity, he sure excels at being a submissive to Musk and Putin.

[-] NimdaQA@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

Well Musk funded his campaign and Putin interfered in the elections at least the 2016 elections and used reverse psychology in the last elections by endorsing Kamala Harris.

[-] Tm12@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 week ago

Did the troll farms disappear for 2020 and 2024?

[-] futatorius@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago

Nope.

[-] GrymEdm@lemmy.world 58 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Traitors one and all and history will remember them as such. I'm Canadian and as angry as I am about the huge mess happening between my country and the USA, I'm even angrier about Ukraine. At least Canadians aren't being killed or having tens of thousands of our children stolen away. I cannot understand the eagerness with which MAGA has embraced Putin. Looking at history until now, I never thought siding with a dictatorial warmongering Russia would be a core Republican value.

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 45 points 1 week ago

From an American:

Hey Europe, fucking pay attention. We are switching sides. Pax Americana is done. This isn’t the country you thought you knew. We’re going to walk noisy as fuck and carry a stick we’ve whittled away because we wanted to sell parts off of it.

Please don’t assume that everything is going to be alright. It’s not. I don’t want to see you guys go down with us.

[-] randomperson@lemm.ee 4 points 1 week ago

There will be some struggles but nobody is going down, there is a big difference between trying to overthrow a government and actually doing it

[-] earphone843@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago

I hope you're right, but it's not looking promising.

[-] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago

It’s early days; very easy to assume things will remain mostly the same but with higher prices, and supply issues. Maybe the odd disease?

I don’t think many people understand how the USA works, and keeps itself together, I don’t. Obviously there is inertia that going to keep things more or less stable.

But if a system is stressed and then something else happens, totally out of left field, history is just filled to the brim of unlucky coincidences affecting large swathes of peoples

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[-] futatorius@lemm.ee 37 points 1 week ago

Just what a Russian stooge would say.

[-] JSocial@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 1 week ago

2 days. That account you in the comments are arguing with is 2 days old.

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[-] DaTingGoBrrr@lemm.ee 26 points 1 week ago

Why does Trump think he has any say in a peace deal now that he ended support to Ukraine? It's not up to him anymore. He chose to step down

[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 17 points 1 week ago

Guy would have sided with Hitler. Why won't Britain surrender, Hitler just wants to end the war!

[-] maplebar@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

I wouldn't do it. But then again I'm not a fascist imperialist dictator with delusions of grandeur.

[-] tonytins@pawb.social 17 points 1 week ago

If you're evil, maybe.

[-] hopesdead@startrek.website 11 points 1 week ago

The guy calling for peace thinks it is okay for anyone to want to continue the violence. Fucking brilliant.

[-] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

So 9/11 was what now? What a fucktard.

[-] audaxdreik@pawb.social 8 points 1 week ago

Yeah, sometimes I'm just standing in the shower in the morning planning out my day and I think to myself, "I should attack Ukraine." /s

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[-] otto@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Transaction: it is what he would do if he thought I could get away with it. Because Trump is the biggest, and most massive piece of shit ever to exist since Hitler.

So, if you would do that too, you are also that big of a piece of shit.

It has been my observation in life that those who blame others for their own actions simply hope others would do that thing in order to make their own transgressions seem more palatable.

Of course, this is an entire series of logical fallacies on top of the fact that most people aren’t pieces of shit.

In short, it’s an obvious lie, and anyone who is pulled in by this obvious lie is a piece of shit just like Trump.

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