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After a tense Oval Office encounter with Donald Trump and JD Vance, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy received a warm UK welcome, including an official audience with King Charles at Sandringham.

British Prime Minister Keir Starmer convened a defence summit with European and NATO allies to reaffirm solidarity with Ukraine, discuss unlocking frozen Russian assets, and counter the rift caused by Trump’s accusations of Zelenskyy’s ingratitude.

European leaders fear the spat endangers Western unity and peace efforts and are vowing no negotiations on Ukraine without Ukrainian involvement.

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[-] takeda@lemm.ee 209 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Events from yesterday are sad, not just for Ukraine or even Europe, but they will also hurt US long term.

US right now is on the path of losing its dominance. All the soft power US is losing, China is stepping in. Russia also believes it can once again become a superpower hopefully EU get's its security seriously and won't let them.

[-] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 84 points 5 days ago

That’s why they compromised trump.

[-] NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world 86 points 5 days ago

Really tired of people saying "this is so bad for the US!"

Yea....no shit. That's literally the whole point of all these insane actions.

[-] FaceDeer@fedia.io 45 points 5 days ago

And I'm also getting a little tired of them expecting me to be sad that this is bad for the US. A lot of the "woe is me, the US is losing influence!" Sounds almost as whiny to the non-American audience as some of the MAGA stuff about the world not being "grateful" enough for them.

The US' international influence has been a mixed blessing for a long time. I'm kind of looking forward to seeing what Europe manages to put together as a replacement. Could be a step up.

[-] SnotFlickerman 33 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

A lot of the "oh noes the US is losing influence" comes twofold from:

  1. General sinophobia as China is often seen as the next viable global superpower.

  2. Americans who deep down know exactly how good they've had it because of that influence and are suddenly scared that their own country could become the true corrupt, broke shithole it has always really been. We only ever had wealth because we dominated and stole it from the rest of the world.

I'm with you, US losing influence isn't a bad thing. It's only bad for US citizens, who need to get a grip on how comfortable and coddled they have really been, even if they are poor. US poor is not international poor, once again, because we stole so much wealth from the rest of the world. I say this as a US citizen who is daily disgusted by the selfishness and coddled ass attitudes of his fellow Americans.

A good example of why is how we took the worlds outpouring of compassion after 9/11 and squandered the fuck out of it by playing world police and killing untold millions in the middle east and Europe has been dealing with the aftermath for 20 fucking years now.

[-] pycorax@lemmy.world 33 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

As someone living in Asia, the US losing influence is a really scary thing. China has been increasing their aggression in the region and the US's presence has always been the counter to that. It was a good balance but a weaker US will tip the balance to China's favour. Not to mention that the US has been a key factor in getting Korea and Japan to work together on security matters. Unfortunately, there's no EU or NATO equivalent for us to rely on.

[-] prex@aussie.zone 4 points 3 days ago

I know its a daydream but this aussie would love to join the EU.
Maybe its time for an Eastern Union? IDK just thinking out loud.

[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago

Exactly. I'm an Indian and I'd rather prefer USA as global superpower than China.

[-] Cpo@lemm.ee 9 points 4 days ago

As someone living in NATO area, I wish we would start NATO 2 without the US. They can effectively veto anything they want.

Time for a new collaboration.

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[-] FaceDeer@fedia.io 11 points 5 days ago

Unfortunately, there's no EU or NATO equivalent for us to rely on.

I would say this is a good time for you guys to make one. My home country is Canada, and I think it'd be great to see defensive pacts in both the Atlantic and Pacific - we'd be keen on joining both of them, I suspect. We're threatened by Chinese influence too.

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[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 8 points 5 days ago

US losing influence isn’t a bad thing.

It does raise the risk of the USA doing desperate and destructive things, like starting a world war.

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[-] Gloomy@mander.xyz 3 points 4 days ago

Yeah, but this assumes that the EU will be able to get itself together and act. Right wing governments are on the rise and the biggest bloxk opposing them in the EU Parlament are the conservatives. Europe is not known for its fast and swift decision making. Everything takes ages over here.

I just don't see the EU acting in union enoth to be able to face the challenges "stepping up" brings with it.

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

“Step up” are the exact words Europe needs to take to heart right now. Fuck the US. We’re the worst of everything everyone says about us and we don’t deserve a moment’s sympathy. I mean it’s been literally decades since the last time we pulled Europe’s security out of the fire for them. So show us what you can do without leaning on us.

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[-] 9point6@lemmy.world 54 points 5 days ago

It's gone. The USA is a superpower only because of its allegiances. In the past week it's been demonstrated that the US no longer wishes to be a part of that arrangement.

[-] Arbiter@lemmy.world 31 points 5 days ago

Super powers in general should not exist.

[-] pupbiru@aussie.zone 2 points 3 days ago

perhaps, but you’ve got to admit that we’ve been living in the most peaceful time in history. superpowers mean sure they get a lot of control, but they also provide a lot of security… it’s a shitty arrangement, but i’m not sure that the alternative is better: with lots of small powers, those countries tend to feel a lot more empowered to encroach on others’ territory

perhaps alliances help that, but i’d argue that kinda leads to a cold war situation where you get “spheres of influence” and that’s kinda like superpowers anyway, but you get a whole group of countries being drawn into conflicts that a belligerent ally starts

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[-] JOMusic@lemmy.ml 32 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

The BRICS partnership (Of which China is a key player) encompasses almost 50% of the world's population, and their Belt and Road initiative is a soft power wet dream.

The world has actually already become multipolar, but most Western media won't make that clear because they are still stuck in the old Colonial mindset of Captialist-Democracy = 100% civilized / Not-a-Capitalist-Democracy = 100% backwards.

[-] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 8 points 4 days ago

Trump is just switching gears from the slow decline harder towards the Capitalist-Not-a-Democracy segment BRICS's most namesakes inhabit. He just doesn't bother to mask the racketeering into something like the Belt and Road

[-] zephorah@lemm.ee 19 points 5 days ago

The US has already lost its dominance. Anything you think you see to that end atm is general inertia. People are mentally prone to incredible inertia in behaviors.

The signs of power vacuum between first trump term and second trump term are there. China. Israel. Russia. And now the world is already rallying together against the new world bully.

Because that is who Trump is. A bully with a giant war chest. No one likes a bully. Incidentally, on the psych side, they usually have daddy issues and/or have been abused at home.

The brunt of it ends when Trump dies in his sleep from his medical ailments (he doesn’t look good). And then we see the real agenda of the people around him in this admin, in full force. Likely less erratic with the war chest though, and more focused on destroying any and all remnants of power and will to live in the working class.

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[-] rayyy@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

they will also hurt US long term

You win the internet understatement of the year.

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[-] LeFantome@programming.dev 32 points 4 days ago

“Keir Starmer will also host European heads of government and the leaders of Canada and Turkey at a special defence summit aimed at presenting a united front on the Ukraine crisis.”

So….a defence meeting with Great Britain, Europe, Turkey, and Canada without the US. This sounds an awful lot like a NATO meeting without the US.

Trump may not have to worry about leaving NATO. They may do it for him.

[-] ddash@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago

Thatstheplan.txt

[-] samus12345@lemm.ee 112 points 5 days ago

"Sorry our kid turned out to be such a douche."

[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago

These headlines man.... "After TRUMP white house meltdown"

[-] Fairgreen@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Wdym, should have been Trump and Vance right!!

[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

The headline incorrectly suggests zelensky had a meltdown in white house, as it's worded.

[-] taanegl@lemmy.world 123 points 5 days ago

The motivation now is for Europe to finance the entire war... to ensure Zelensky doesn't need to go back to the US.

Such disgrace. I've heard of "ugly Americans", but this is ridiculous.

[-] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 69 points 4 days ago

I mean we had to get off the US' teats at some point, it's been 80 years. A pity that it had to happen like this, but we have to look forward and turn Europe into the beacon of democratic ideals that the US refuses to be anymore. It will be a hard and rocky road for sure, but we can come out the other side stronger and better in every way.

[-] Ledericas@lemm.ee 13 points 4 days ago

Us practically made eu dependant on them for military protection

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[-] margaritox@lemmy.world 43 points 5 days ago

Yea, it’s a shame that the American people elected this clown to represent them. I’m really heartbroken they/we didn’t choose better.

[-] slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 18 points 4 days ago
[-] Ledericas@lemm.ee 10 points 4 days ago

It was also heavily rigged just like 2020, republicans will never investigate that

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Conspiracy bullshit is ruining this country. Didn't contribute.

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[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 163 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I don't think Zelenskyy was humiliated, it was the US. He stood up for himself well. Trolling and bullying an ally isn't a good look.

[-] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 85 points 5 days ago

I hardly think I’m in some piddling minority in thinking that my country is a fucking disgrace and Zelensky is a righteous man worthy of respect.

[-] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 3 points 3 days ago

No most of you do but you don't organize so a foreign country has taken control and is dismantling the government

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[-] zephorah@lemm.ee 45 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

It’s interesting that conservative circles are lauding Trump for removing the US from wars in “matters that don’t concern us”. Their take, not mine.

And yet. All of this feels like a seismic shift prefacing going to war.

Even the first term I always had the sense Trump wanted to play with war toys. Akin to him acting like a little boy playing with toy truck when behind the wheel of a construction vehicle. Now he’s more erratic than ever before, and has the people around him willing to do his bidding.

And this is not an administration that would hesitate to draft people.

[-] oKtosiTe@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

a seismic shit

Despite the tone of this thread, this made me chuckle. Thank you.

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[-] meowmeowbeanz@sopuli.xyz 11 points 4 days ago

King Charles steps into diplomacy; is this soft power or a risky political gamble?

🐱🐱🐱🐱

[-] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago

The royals meeting heads of state happens regularly no?

[-] meowmeowbeanz@sopuli.xyz 7 points 4 days ago

Sure, but this meeting carries symbolic weight given the ongoing conflict and alliances.

😺😺

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[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 35 points 5 days ago

I hope the UK & EU get all of those tasty mineral rights and Trump get left holding nothing but his limp mushroom dick.

[-] Wahots@pawb.social 30 points 5 days ago

I hope Ukraine keeps its mineral rights, and we all fund their war. We should be thanking them for kicking Russia in the cunt, not taking away their resources while they fight a war for the EU and NA.

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[-] BrazenSigilos@ttrpg.network 26 points 5 days ago

Thank goodness, I'm embarrassed that the walking cheeto would melt down like that while holding one of the most prestigious offices in my country, although unfortunately I'm not surprised by it. I'm glad Ukraine has other places it's leadership can turn too in this time of need. Sadly, I can only hope that the dark spector of mortality does it's work swiftly in the oval office and this geriatric orange is done for good sooner rather then later.

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[-] alykanas@slrpnk.net 14 points 5 days ago

I’ve never seen starmer smile so much .

[-] Litebit@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

This Jerking Dick Vanker is a piece of shit, can't even make a simple deal. He only had 1 job to do.

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