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[-] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 13 minutes ago

Cars are the ultimate symbol of freedom because you just get in and go wherever to do whatever.

Pick nanna up? sure. Go buy her groceries? Sure. In the pouring rain? Ok. Pick up her dog from the vet? Yep. Drop by the garden store and grab 50kg of fertilizer? You bet.

You can do all of those things with out any planning or notice. You just get in and go wherever the day takes you.

I'm a bit bonkers about bikes. I have a cargo e-bike. It absolutely could do all of these things in separate trips. Doing all of them together would be a challenge but I am 100% here for that so long as nanna is. The main difference is planning. You need different gear, like a bike trailer for example. You're also probably going to pick the right time of day, like early before it gets too hot or too windy, provided that it's not raining.

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[-] Vivendi@lemmy.zip 1 points 28 minutes ago

My city has extreme height changes on almost every road -- you'd have to be a seriously beefy rider to commute with a bike

[-] LordCrom@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago

Make no problem with bikes in Florida, when you arrive you are so drenched in sweat you are no longer presentable and stink to high heaven.

Biking to work if you have an office job is out of the question.

Biking to my gym or KungFu school.... Perfect.

Just need the right tool for the right job.

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 15 points 4 hours ago

Anyone who has ridden in rain and adverse weather would know one reason cars are more popular.

[-] missandry351@lemmings.world 3 points 2 hours ago

Because people with disabilities and chronic illness exist, and because depending on the distance it’s not possible to go by bike and depending on the terrain it’s also no possible. Oh and the weather I forgot the weather… oh and in some roads, like highways, for example, these can’t even drive there:..

[-] Mud@sh.itjust.works 2 points 45 minutes ago

These are great arguments for one not to cycle for routine trips of daily life.

Good cyclist advocates don't shame one for not cycling for everything. They know why people don't do it. It's because they feel like they're gonna die! And they're not totally wrong in feeling that way.

Good bike advocates lobby for better infrastructure to mitigate these concerns.

E.g. winter weather in particular is addressed just by keeping bike routes paved the same as car lanes. Places that do this see negligible drops in cycling rates even at below freezing temps.

GOOD bike infrastructure is always worth it. It always reduces car trips. Every mile one bikes or walks instead of drives is taxpayer money saved.

Car infrastructure is very limiting to people with disabilities, more so than cycling.

[-] bathroomconnoisseur@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 hours ago

Bikes aren't the perfect transportation method for everyone all the time but they are a good option for most people most of the time. Also, I have a chronic illness and I ride year round in a place that regularly hits -40

[-] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 15 points 4 hours ago

car go further faster, and car more useful when not in big city.

[-] Karjalan@lemmy.world 1 points 32 minutes ago

Yes, but have you considered this extremely selective list of positive features for bikes?

[-] kunaltyagi@programming.dev 8 points 3 hours ago

For this, bike friendly cities have good public transport (bus/tram/metro) and bike shares

[-] yogaxpto@lemmy.world 14 points 5 hours ago

Not probably, a human riding a bicycle is the most efficient way to convert energy into movement. No other vehicle or animal can be as efficient.

[-] jjagaimo@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 hours ago

Thats why I have a bike-sled team to pull my horribly inefficient sled across the asphalt

[-] TDCN@feddit.dk 14 points 6 hours ago

Someone can probably do the math, but i have a hunch that humans are technically not very fuel efficient if you look at calories burned pr the total mass being moved along.

But whatever it is biking is awesome, but being technically correct is even better.

[-] SoleInvictus 31 points 5 hours ago

Humans are actually unusually energy efficient for mammals when walking and even more so when cycling. Here's a little info graphic showing a breakdown.

One thing to keep in mind if you have a dog is they're less energy efficient than humans. While dogs can run faster, a reasonably fit human can easily out distance an equally fit dog when walking or distance running.

[-] TDCN@feddit.dk 6 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Nice graphic. ~~But it seems like it doesn't factor in kg of mass moved. A human and a bike is a lot lighter than a car or a horse. You could also argue that the vehicle weigh should be ignored but then again you could easily argue back that weight of goods move can possibly be a lot higher with a car if you load it up to capacity~~. Ignore that. I did not see it said 5 riders for the car

[-] SoleInvictus 5 points 4 hours ago

I'm back with better data. I'm assuming the travel path is perfectly flat because I don't feel like modeling elevation changes. I'm being energy efficient (read: lazy).

For cycling, I'm using the global average human weight of 62 kg, assuming the cycle is 8 kg, and the pace is 10 kph, which is pretty relaxed.

For walking, I'm using the 62 kg person walking at 4 kph.

For driving with petrol, we'll use the same spherical 62 kg human and a 2024 Toyota Prius with a fuel efficiency of 4.8 L/100 km and a mass of 1570 kg. One liter of petrol is approximately 8174 kcal. Double the energy expenditure for an estimate for your typical SUV.

For electric, I chose a 2024 Hyundai Ioniq 5 N with an energy efficiency of 21.2 kWh/100km and a mass of 2235 kg. One kilowatt-hour is approximately 860 kcal.

Walking: 0.74 kcal•km^-1^•kg^-1^
Cycling: 0.34 kcal•km^-1^•kg^-1^
Driving(p): 0.24 kcal•km^-1^•kg^-1^
Driving(e): 0.08 kcal•km^-1^•kg^-1^

[-] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 25 minutes ago

Wait so cars are more efficient than cycling now ?

[-] SoleInvictus 5 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

It still doesn't give us kcal•km^-1^•kg^-1^ (or an equivalent), which is what I was looking for. We could do some math to get us some loose estimates, though. I'll do exactly that and report back shortly.

[-] TheButter_ItSeeps@lemmy.world 7 points 5 hours ago

I feel like 'total mass being moved' is irrelevent if most of that mass is useless (car motor/metal frame/plastic/etc).

Even if a car motor was more efficient per kg, most of the work is wasted on moving the actual car itself, regardless of the passengers & cargo.

Bikes clearly use less energy to displace 'useful mass' than a car, so they are more efficient in that sense.

[-] theoli@startrek.website 5 points 5 hours ago

Quick math shows I am quite a bit more efficient than a Nissan Juke traveling 150 miles at 19mph. About 50kcal/pound for the car and 8kcal/pound for me+bike to travel the distance.

[-] eestileib 31 points 7 hours ago

I'm disabled in a way that means I can't use one, but can use a car, which kinda sucks.

Fortunately bike infrastructure usually helps me in my chair, so I'm all in favor of wider bike adoption.

[-] BorgDrone@lemmy.one 12 points 6 hours ago

I don’t know your limitations, but you’d be surprised at the number of ways cycling can be made accessible.

For example, there are handbikes that attach to a wheelchair. As with all assistive tech it depends on your specific situation what is possible.

[-] Cort@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

I've frequently seen a couple of people with recumbent hand bikes on one of the popular trails near me. They're decently fast with the reduced air resistance, but road crossings are a bit of a hassle when you aren't tall enough to be seen by an f450

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[-] 96VXb9ktTjFnRi@feddit.nl 28 points 7 hours ago

Welcome to the Netherlands. If there's anything that fills me with pride it's our cycling culture. Most people have a car too, but I don't, and I do everything by bike and public transport.

[-] vandsjov@feddit.dk 6 points 6 hours ago

Denmark checking in. Not unusual for people in the city not to have a car. I’m happy with my bike that I use every workday to cycle into the city centrum in all weather - I love dressing myself up in rain boots, rain paints and rain jacket and be on my way in heavy rain or snow, feeling like I’m in an episode of Deadliest Catch

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[-] the_doktor@lemmy.zip 5 points 5 hours ago

Enables people with mobility issues

Allows people to move about farther than just a few miles or so

Allows people to transport a lot of goods (and/or heavy goods) easily

Doesn't make you exhausted if you have to go up hills

AIR CONDITIONING/HEATER

Fuck your walkable/bike nightmare "utopia".

[-] Highstronaught@feddit.uk 5 points 4 hours ago

Lots of disabled people can't drive, bike infrastructure also accommodates wheelchairs, mobility scooters, hand bikes and other ways disabled people get around.

50% of journeys are 5 miles or less, nobody is seriously suggesting going long distances on bikes (though I have)

You can easily carry a full load of shopping, bits from the diy shop and more, there are even tradespeople who work via a cargo bike rather than van

By cycling you get fitter very quick, you learn to pace yourself but you get faster as you get fitter. E-bikes are also an option too

Can't fix the air con issue, when I cycled to work I took a change of clothes and got changed there I don't live in a very hot place though. As for cold, a good set of waterproof mittens, some waterproof overtrousers and a good coat work wonders (and can be used when your not on a bike too)

What about those who can't drive, how do they get around?

[-] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 1 points 12 minutes ago

Can’t fix the air con issue

When I started cycling last year I found that I acclimated myself to the hot weather by riding daily (plus once you start moving even if it's super hot and sticky the airflow as you ride along at 5-10mph really makes it feel far more bearable than one would think, even at 100% humidity!)

I can only imagine how much more bearable it would be on an ebike where I wouldn't have to fight so hard on hills or starting from stopped

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 hours ago

My ebike has enabled me to take 40 mile round trips, saves me on hills (though honestly once you're fit it's not a big deal anyway), helps me carry lots of goods, and since I'm usually going fast the wind cools me down (though a little spray bottle helps keep me cool when it's really hot). I'm usually warm enough from enough from physical exertion that I don't really need a heater (unless it's so blisteringly cold that the fog of my breath turns to ice in my balaclava, but that's way below freezing.)

The only thing that really stops me is ice. Any other weather I can handle, but when there's ice my bike goes inside.

[-] kameecoding@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago

I agree with your points, trains are fucking awesome too.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 16 points 8 hours ago

Arrive to work soaked in sweat because it's been 100+ degrees every day for the past 8 weeks.

[-] knexcar@lemmy.world 15 points 7 hours ago

You lose the benefits of it being cheap, but an ebike is a decent solution

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[-] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 10 points 7 hours ago

Well, that is largely caused by cars.

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