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So I'm working on a server from home.

I do a cat /sys/class/net/eth0/operstate and it says unknown despite the interface being obviously up, since I'm SSH'ing into the box.

I try to explicitely set the interface up to force the status to say up with ip link set eth0 up. No joy, still unknown.

Hmm... maybe I should bring it down and back up.

So I do ip link set eth0 down and... I drive 15 miles to work to do the corresponding ip link set eth0 up

50 years using Unix and I'm still doing this... 😥

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[-] twinnie@feddit.uk 105 points 1 month ago

I knew a guy who did this and had to fly to Germany to fix it because he didn’t want to admit what he’d done.

[-] miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 1 month ago

This hits....

[-] InnerScientist@lemmy.world 42 points 1 month ago

I have a failsafe service for one of my servers, it pings the router and if it hasn't reached it once for an entire hour then it will reboot the server.

This won't save me from all mistakes but it will prevent firewall, link state, routing and a few other issues when I'm not present.

[-] Cyber@feddit.uk 7 points 1 month ago

Until you block ICMP one day and then wonder why the server keeps rebooting...

(Been there. Done it)

[-] despotic_machine@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 1 month ago

Why don't you use chained commands, or better yet simply create an alias that chains down/up, then use the alias instead?

[-] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 89 points 1 month ago

Because I plain forgot I was remote. It's as simple and as stupid as that.

[-] IsoKiero@sopuli.xyz 17 points 1 month ago

We've all been there. If you do this stuff for a living, you've done that way more than once.

[-] despotic_machine@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 month ago

Fair enough. I've done worse in my time as a keyboard jockey.

[-] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 9 points 1 month ago

That is why you have KVMs..

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago

time to setup a console server so that you don't do that again.

[-] Lodespawn@aussie.zone 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Until they have to troubleshoot the console server ..

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago

then setup a super console server. lol

[-] darklamer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 month ago

I have once actually used a console server console server to troubleshoot a misbehaving console server.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago

i once worked at a place that had something like this and; it sounds silly; but i got a live demonstration that it was the smartest thing ever.

[-] fossphi@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago

It's console servers all the way down (up?)

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago

and you make each one geographically closer than the previous one until there's one right next to you. lol

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[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago

Or use some kind of molly guard. Or have an OOB management channel.

You'd think you'd learn from your mistakes after one or two of them, not fifty years' worth...

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 month ago

Don't be shitty.

[-] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 20 points 1 month ago

In my defense, I just installed the machine. I was configuring it from home after hours.

[-] DasFaultier@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 month ago

after hours

I've configured PAM to not let me login remotely after hours, because I just know that someday I'll want to fix "just this tiny thing" and I'll break production because I'm too tired. I clearly need protection from myself, and this is one slice in Dr.Reasons's Swiss cheese model.

Don't let the people drag you down, this happens to all of us.

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[-] IsoKiero@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 month ago

You’d think you’d learn from your mistakes

Yes, that what you'd think. And then you'll sit with a blank terminal once again when you did some trivial mistake yet again.

A friend of mine developed a habit (working on a decent sized ISP 20+ years ago) to set up a scheduled reboot for everything in 30 minutes no matter what you're going to do. The hardware back then (I think it was mostly cisco) had a 'running conrfig' and 'stored config' which were two separate instances. Log in, set up scheduled reboot, do whatever you're planning to do and if you mess up and lock yourself out the system will restore to previous config in a while and then you can avoid the previous mistake. Rinse and repeat.

And, personally, I think that's the one of the best ways to differentiate actual professionals from 'move fast and break things' group. Once you've locked yourself out of the system literally half way across the globe too many times you'll eventually learn to think about the next step and failovers. I'm not that much of a network guy, but I have shot myself in the foot enough that whenever there's dd, mkfs or something similar on the root shell I automatically pause for a second to confirm the command before hitting enter.

And while you gain experience you also know how to avoid the pitfalls, the more important part (at least for myself) is to think ahead. The constant mindset of thinking about processes, connectivity, what you can actually do if you fuck up and so on becomes a part of your workflow. Accidents will happen, no matter how much experience you have. The really good admins just know that something will go wrong at some point in the process and build stuff to guarantee that when you fuck things up you still have availability to fix it instead of calling someone 6 timezones away in the middle of the night to clean up your mess.

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[-] terminhell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 1 month ago

I formated an OS drive by mistake last night, thought it was my flash drive...

[-] vfsh 14 points 1 month ago

Almost did the same last night on a device that has its internal drive (flash) mounted as mmc and the USB drive was sda

[-] terminhell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 month ago

That entire scenario scares me lol

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[-] Float@startrek.website 25 points 1 month ago

Every network engineer must lock themselves out of a node at some point, it is a rite of passage.

[-] sleepmode@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I was on-call and half awake when I got paged about a cache server’s memcached being down for the third time that night. They’d all start to go down like dominoes if you weren’t fast enough at restarting the service, which could overwhelm the database and messaging tiers (baaaaad news to say the least). Two more had their daemon shit the bed while I was examining it. Often it was best to just kick it on all of them to rebalance things. It was… not a great design.

So I wrote a quick loop to ssh in and restart the service on each box in the tier to refresh them all just in case and hopefully stop the incessant pages. Well. In my bleary eyed state I set reboot in the variable instead of restart. Took out the whole cache tier (50+) and the web site. First and only time I did that but that definitely woke me up. Oddly enough the site ran better after that for months as my reboots uncovered an undiscovered problem.

[-] MXX53@programming.dev 15 points 1 month ago

Good to know that in another 30 years, I will still be doing the dumb shit I've been doing for the last 20.

[-] Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 month ago

If it makes you feel any better, I did something just as infuriating a few years ago.

I had set up my home media server, and had finally moved it to my garage with just a power cable and ethernet cable plugged in. Everything was working perfectly, but I needed to check something with the network settings. Being quite new to Linux, I used a remote desktop tool to log in and do everything through a gui.

I accidentally clicked the wrong item in the menu and disconnected the network. I only had a spare ps/2 keyboard and mouse, and as the server was an old computer, it would crash if I plugged a ps/2 device in while it was running*.

The remote desktop stayed open but frozen, mocking me for my obvious mistake and lack of planning, with the remote mouse icon stuck in place on the disconnect menu.

*I can't remember if that was a ps/2 thing, or something specific to my server, but I didn't want to risk it

[-] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 10 points 1 month ago

Old hardware used to get really upset before plug and play became common. I remember I was playing some old racing game with a joystick on a win95 box, and accidentally pulled the connector out, lost my entire game because the system flipped out.

[-] moonpiedumplings@programming.dev 14 points 1 month ago

Use cockpit by Red Hat. It gives you a GUI to make networking changes*, and will check if the connection still works before making the change. If the connection doesn't work (like the ip addresses changed), it will undo the change and then warn you. You can then either force the change through or leave it be.

*via NetworkManager only.

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[-] toynbee@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

A decade and change ago, in a past life, I was tasked with switching SELinux to permissive mode on the majority of systems on our network (multiple hundreds, or we might have gotten above one thousand at that point, I don't recall exactly). This was to be done using Puppet. A large number of the systems, including most of our servers, had already been manually switched to permissive but it wasn't being enforced globally.

Unfortunately, at that point I was pretty familiar with Puppet but had only worked with SELinux a very few times. I did not correctly understand the syntax of the config file or setenforce and set the mode to ... Something incorrect. SELinux interpreted whatever that was as enforcing mode. I didn't realize what I had done wrong until we started getting alerts from throughout the network. Then I just about had a panic attack when I couldn't login to the systems and suddenly understood the problem.

Fortunately, it's necessary to reboot a system to switch SELinux from disabled to any other mode, so most customer facing systems were not impacted. Even more fortunately, this was done on a holiday, so very few customers were there to be inconvenienced by the servers becoming inaccessible. Even more fortunately, while I was unable to access the systems that were now in enforcing mode, the Puppet agent was apparently still running ... So I reversed my change in the manifest and, within half an hour, things were back to normal (after some service restarts and such).

When I finally did correctly make the change, I made sure to quintuple check the syntax and not rush through the testing process.

edit: While I could have done without the assault on my blood pressure at the time, it was an effective demonstration of our lack of readiness for enforcing mode.

[-] plumbercraic@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 1 month ago

Did this once on a router in a datacenter that was a flight away. Have remembered to set the reboot in future command since. As I typed the fatal command I remember part of my brain screaming not to hit enter as my finger approached the keyboard. 🤦‍♂️

[-] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 month ago

Have remembered to set the reboot in future command since

That's not a bad idea actually. I'll have to reuse that one. Thanks!

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[-] Ephera@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago

At $DAYJOB, we're currently setting up basically a way to bridge an interface over the internet, so it transports everything that enters on an interface across the aether. Well, and you already guessed it, I accidentally configured it for eth0 and couldn't SSH in anymore.

Where it becomes fun, is that I actually was at work. I was setting it up on two raspis, which were connected to a router, everything placed right next to me. So, I figured, I'd just hook up another Ethernet cable, pick out the IP from the router's management interface and SSH in that way.
Except I couldn't reach the management interface anymore. Nothing in that network would respond.

Eventually, I saw that the router's activity lights were blinking like Christmas decoration. I'm guessing, I had built a loop and therefore something akin to a broadcast storm was overloading the router. Thankfully, the solution was then relatively straightforward, in that I had to unplug one of the raspis, SSH in via the second port, nuke our configuration and then repeat for the other raspi.

[-] apt_install_coffee@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago

A few months ago I accidentally dd'd ~3GiB to the beginning of one of the drives in a 4 drive array... That was fun to rebuild.

[-] wewbull@feddit.uk 6 points 1 month ago

Your 4 drive raid5 array, right?

Right?!

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[-] ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 month ago

Like 3 weeks ago on my (testing) server I accidentally DD'd a Linux ISO to the first drive in my storage array (I had some kind of jank manual "LVM" bullshit I set up with odd mountpoints to act as a NAS, do not recommend), no Timeshift, no Btrfs snapshot. It gave me the kick in the pants I needed to stop trying to use a macbook air with 6 external hard drives as a server though. Also gave me the kick in the pants I needed to stop using volatile naming conventions in my fstab.

[-] LeFantome@programming.dev 9 points 1 month ago

If I understand, this is less a complaint about how UNIX works and more a story about the consequences of careless mistakes.

This is why we have KVMs I guess. Though not every server has one of those.

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[-] mlg@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Lol I've locked myself out of so many random cloud and remote instances like this that now I always make a sleep chain or a kill timer with tmux/screen.

Usually like:

./risky_dumb_script.sh ; sleep 30 ; ./undo.sh

Or

./risky_dumb.script.sh

Which starts with a 30 second sleep, and:

(tmux) sleep 300 ; kill PID

[-] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Not SysAdmin but about a year into my first software engineer job I was working on the live DB in SQL without using BEGIN TRAN ROLLBACK TRAN.

Suffice to say I broke the whole system my making an UPDATE without a WHERE clause. Luckily we have regular backups but it was a lot of debugging with the boss before I realised it was me that caused the issue the client was reporting.

[-] MangoCats@feddit.it 8 points 1 month ago
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[-] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

I've done this kind of thing remotely in screen with ifdown eth0 ; sleep 10 ; ifup eth0 ;

[-] miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 month ago

There, but for the grace of god....

[-] thingsiplay@beehaw.org 7 points 1 month ago

Remember what Bruce Lee said:

I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times.

[-] iriyan@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I still prefer net-tools and use ifconfig eth0 up That ip mess I'd rather do without, and those funky UU device/interface names I wish them out of my system

By the way, what system/init/svc manager are you using? With 50y in your back, cron job to check if it is up and resetting it while you are away. You can always remotely cancel the cronjob ... but it will be a new mistake not the old one :)

I started on Irix and ultrix if you remember those, what would I know :)

[-] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 6 points 1 month ago

This is why IPMI is so important.

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[-] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 5 points 1 month ago

@ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org You're doing it wrong. Just setup a KVM behind your server. So then you never need to leave home again.

[-] markstos@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

I was scared to move the cloud for this reason. I was used to running to the server room and the KVM if things went south. If that was frozen, usually unplugging the server physically from the switch would get it calm down.

Now Amazon supports a direct console interface like KVM and you can virtually unplug virtual servers from their virtual servers too.

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