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[-] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 115 points 5 months ago

He included police unions? He's fucked. Republican voters don't give a crap about teachers or firefighters, but he messed with the cops that they vehemently pretend to support.

[-] CanadaResists@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago

I think the Presudwbtsxrejease of rioters who attacked police officers on Capitol Hill made it pretty clear to cops that the GOP was never actually on their side.

[-] randoot@lemmy.world 82 points 5 months ago

The ruling class forgets how the unions were the compromise to allow them to keep their heads attached to their bodies

[-] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 43 points 5 months ago

I don't think they've forgotten. They're just confident that the culture war trap they've built will keep us busy fighting amongst ourselves.

[-] otto@sh.itjust.works 73 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The police certainly had this coming, although I now feel very bad for firefighters and teachers in Utah

[-] GrumpyDuckling@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 months ago

They're going to privatise all three.

[-] BassTurd@lemmy.world 57 points 5 months ago

Fucking strike anyway. What are they gonna do?

[-] YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub 38 points 5 months ago

The postal service is unable to legally strike. They struck in the 70s (?) illegally and got tons of concessions and no one went to prison for it. Seems like teachers could do something similar. We wouldn’t miss cops and, unfortunately, firefighters also wouldn’t be missed (we still love them, unlike cops).

[-] CanadaResists@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago

I’m super pro union but your arguments are sloppy.

In 1981 Reagan fired and banned for life over 11,000 striking Air Traffic controllers. People sadly haven’t forgotten.

Without cops, what does a person assaulted or burgled do? How are the 20K+ murders a year investigated? Firefighters? They respond primarily to medical emergency. And about a million fire incidents a year.

[-] YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub 7 points 5 months ago

The world stops without teachers working. Many people rely on them for childcare so that they can go to work. Air traffic controllers are very important. But many orders of magnitude less important for our economy than teachers.

We can discuss abolition of cops some other time, but we aren’t going to see eye to eye on this. They and firefighters are not on the critical path of daily capitalism like teachers though.

[-] prole 6 points 5 months ago

Literally fire them all like Reagan did to the Air Traffic Controllers.

[-] DerArzt@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

And then what? If you fire all a singular group listed above that's striking (nurses, teachers, POLICE) who's going to be there to pick up the reigns?

[-] MunkyNutts@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

That's the point, you bring it to a screeching halt and they then need to come to the table. But without the social safety nets other developed countries have, people here are reluctant to push back hard. There will eventually be a tipping point in my view in the future.

[-] prole 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

who’s going to be there to pick up the reigns?

Exactly. Read Project 2025.

[-] CanadaResists@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 months ago

I agree with your sentiment but they know what will happen sadly. Back in 1981, Reagan fired all 11,353 air traffic controllers who were “illegally” striking. He also banned them for life from working for the Fed Govt.

[-] reddig33@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Who did he replace them with? Were all the planes just grounded for a year while they looked for and trained new hires?

[-] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 55 points 5 months ago

Isn't that functionally banning unions altogether? Collective bargaining is the whole purpose of a union...

Not familiar with American union laws, but that's protected federally is it not? (aside from the fact that this administration isn't 'protecting' anything, let alone unions)

[-] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 52 points 5 months ago

Given the current political climate nothing is illegal.

[-] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

Unless your not a ring kissing conservative.

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 22 points 5 months ago

If we can't bargain legally I suppose we just need to remind them why they gave us a legal option for union organization in the first place.

Before unions, it was the style at the time to go to the boss and ask for a raise by saying “hey boss, give us a raise, or we’ll burn your fucking factory down”

Just a reminder 🥰

[-] prole 2 points 5 months ago

There is a spectre haunting North America...

[-] RangerJosey@lemmy.ml 51 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I feel like people forgot that this was the compromise.

If they'd like us to go back to dragging the boss out of his home in the middle of the night and beating him to death in front of his family I'm cool with that.

[-] match@pawb.social 10 points 5 months ago

get luigi a 1up

[-] Maeve@midwest.social 46 points 5 months ago

Unions, collective bargaining and striking were illegal, to begin with. People actually skipped work and meals to strike, form unions, and radically protest to give us these things. Before pto, unemployment insurance, and social safety nets existed.

[-] MetalMachine@feddit.nl 39 points 5 months ago

They should strike anyways.

[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 38 points 5 months ago

Let the buildings burn down. Firefighters don’t have to use a union to show why the working class is the real source of power.

[-] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

Make sure to clearly advertise the dates of the strike. So we can be especially cautious on those days. Especially around government buildings. That would just be awful and unfair if the people that passed the ban were directly affected.

[-] WolfmanEightySix@piefed.social 34 points 5 months ago

Wow…this is gonna make America so great

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 34 points 5 months ago

Oh, wow.

That went after the cops, too.

That was really fucking stupid of them, you reward your foot soldiers just well enough to make them trust the system enough to defend it with their lives against their own class.

You let the cop "union" thrive and they'll kick every teacher to death on their overtime pay with gusto.

[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

Probably don't have to pay them, they'll do it for free.

[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

What they want is not pay, but the ability of harassing minorities.

[-] davidagain@lemmy.world 26 points 5 months ago

General strike from teachers, firefighters and police it is, then.

[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

Don't count on cops for solidarity, even with something this blatant.

[-] Norgoroth@lemmy.world 24 points 5 months ago

Union prevent heads in sticks, time for heads on sticks

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Don't worry the Federal government will step .... Oh they just crippled the agency that prevents this. How convenient.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/15/business/nlrb-trump-musk-workers/index.html

[-] satans_methpipe@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

That's now how this works. Time to beat the Governor to death.

[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

I love picturing this being said matter of factly from a husband to a spouse over morning coffee.

"Oh no, well that's now how this works at all... Time to beat the Governor to death, dear. Well, off I go for the day, see you at dinner"

[-] zephorah@lemm.ee 12 points 5 months ago

My only surprise is they didn’t add nurses and doctors after that show of force went down, state wide, in Oregon this year.

[-] JamieSTL 9 points 5 months ago

Honestly surprised by cops being included in this. Wonder if that will bring major backlash in such a conservative state.

[-] seejur@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Narrator: it won't. They are too far gone with the indoctrination. They'll lament and get back in line, to cheer for the next one who got fucked that isn't them

[-] Eddbopkins@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

That's a good way to keep people out of a profession.

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