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[-] thezeesystem 96 points 2 months ago

Don't forget the millions of us chained to the bottom because we have no choice

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 19 points 2 months ago

Oh hello my friend, you fully drowned yet? I'm getting there.

[-] thezeesystem 15 points 2 months ago

Having no choice people think we can just jump ship (or I guess the pot) when they don't realize the people who can't do it at all because there chained to it

For instance trans people can't get passports or renew them meaning they have absolutely no way to leave.

We need to stay and help the disenfranchised instead of jumping ship

[-] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 months ago

How so?
Geniunely don't understand how being trans prevents you from getting out?
I'd assume when being asked about your sex, I'd just swallow the pride (no pun intended) and say what the sex at birth was to get the paperwork done. As soon as ones out it won't matter as much anyway.

[-] erin 11 points 2 months ago

This is not the case. Trans people are being denied passports of either gender marker as officials "wait for clarification" on the new rules. Furthermore, passports are being confiscated.

[-] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago

Big oof then. Good luck for the folks that need it to escape.

[-] spooky2092 8 points 2 months ago
[-] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago

But even in your source, which does explain the circumstances (which are bad), they mention how it needs to be under the sex that is on your certificate.
I only see an issue with it if you are in-between getting the identification modified as the gears of beaucrarcy grind very slow (ignoring constant interruptions by unecessary policy changes)

[-] spooky2092 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I only see an issue with it if you are in-between getting the identification modified as the gears of beaucrarcy grind very slow

Or, you know, you live in a red state that fights tooth and nail to not update that information, all in the hopes that this day would eventually come.

Updating your vital records is a state level item, and the process will vary by state, and that's a requirement to get it changed on your Federal passport. Please don't forget that a large amount of states have been trying to pretend these people don't exist, and now the federal government is trying to help make that a reality. For an example of the difficulties as reported 3 years ago:


States requiring proof of surgery, court order or altered birth certificate to change gender marker on driver’s licenses

Georgia.
Guam (U.S. Territory).
Iowa.
Kentucky.
Louisiana.
Northern Mariana Islands (U.S. Territory).
South Carolina.
Tennessee.
Texas.

States requiring proof of surgery, court order or altered birth certificate to change gender marker on birth certificates

Alabama.
Arizona.
Arkansas.
Georgia.
Guam (U.S. Territory).
Iowa.
Kentucky.
Louisiana.
Missouri.
Nebraska.
New Hampshire.
North Carolina.
North Dakota.
Wisconsin.

States barring residents from amending their gender designation on official documents

Montana.
Oklahoma.
Tennessee.
West Virginia


I'll note again that this was 3 years ago, before the massive wave of anti-trans legislation in the last couple of years.

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[-] usrtrv@sh.itjust.works 51 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

As an American who just emigrated, I guess I jumped. I can still vote from overseas, but I'm pessimistic about the future.

[-] Bonje@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

Where to, if you don't mind

[-] usrtrv@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago

Japan. I had an offer from an EU country that logically would have been a better choice. But I couldn't resist my inner child/weeb.

[-] Zorsith 49 points 2 months ago

Its such a shit situation. If you want out, you generally need to get a job in another country. A job in a different country generally pays significantly less than the cost of living in most of the USA, so you need to already have a significant amount of money already saved to even consider it an option.

Most of us are just fucking trapped.

[-] butwhyishischinabook@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago

And in the case of the EU you probably aren't getting in unless you're highly credentialed. For all their shit talking they sure hate large-scale immigration.

[-] TheBrideWoreCrimson@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Maybe I'm missing the point, but COL in other countries is also only a fraction of the US's. We don't live in hunger and squalor over here, you know. Plus, to move, you won't need significant savings.
No, the real issue, as with all migration from high- to low-wage countries, is that you cannot easily return for retirement because you're not going to be able to save enough for the US's housings prices or rents.

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[-] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 2 months ago

Called my mom last night, told her to renew her passport asap.

Most people are like “the waters warm, this is nice, what are you going on about???” And I’m like “hi yes this water is scalding hot and about to boil we need to get out!”

[-] Today@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

Renewed mine online in October. Received in 12 days.

[-] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 months ago

That was under the previous administration… musk is hollowing out federal jobs so I bet the wait will be tough. Especially as more frogs realize that the pot is boiling…

[-] puppy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Longer wait times? B...b...b...but he's the head of the department of government efficiency, who could've seen this coming!?

[-] slazer2au@lemmy.world 41 points 2 months ago

Yea.....

Post UK Brexit was when I thought the same thing.

[-] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 30 points 2 months ago

Billionaires are keeping us in the pot, using levers of power that we don't access from the pot.

[-] latenightnoir@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago

This would imply that they're not surrounded by other pots filled with water which is (varying degrees of) boiling. We don't really have a Socialist Utopia meeting spot, let's say.

Beyond that, eloping requires a not insignificant amount of money (as a Romanian, I can say that homes/apartments aren't cheap here, either, and we're not exactly L.A.)

And at the other end of the line, immigration's not exactly thought of with fondness, even in Europe. Don't forget, we're stewing in our own pot even if the heat's still relatively tolerable.

[-] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

This is a problem I'm having now with my boyfriend. I want to get out of the US and he says, "Where? Everywhere's falling to fascism right now. And it's hard and expensive to emigrate." It doesn't help that he also thinks it's not worth it to think about leaving until the water's actually boiling and he has verified it.

[-] djsoren19 7 points 2 months ago

Your boyfriend is right. Unless one of you has an in-demand technical degree or a lot of money, immigration to Western countries is going to be out of reach. That leaves you with weakened economies which are either already authoritarian, or trending authoritarian. Even if you could get to a place like Europe, far-right parties emboldened by their new U.S. support are rising in popularity and receiving centrist support in places like France and Germany.

There is no green field to relax in while the rest of the world collapses. You'll have to fight to prevent the slide to fascism wherever you go.

[-] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

True - it's the rising tide right now and probably for humanity's future since we're on a sinking ship globally. I do have the benefit of working for a global company and a boss who's already told me I can transfer to whichever country I pick that they operate in. But he's not as optimistic for his own job needs, and it's still about choosing a country that could possibly just let us die in peace before it also goes to shit.

[-] cheers_queers@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago

he's not wrong..

[-] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Yeah most people were like "I'm moving to Canada!" Ignoring the fact that the person most likely to be PM in a couple months is also fully a Musk shill. Europe is pushing right-wing and the UK's been down bad for a while. Maybe Australia or New Zealand?

[-] Curious_Canid@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago

The Scandanavian countries currently look the safest to me. I think Iceland would be nearly ideal, in a lot of ways. but I worry that they may be annexed by one of the larger powers as things get uglier.

[-] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Yes I was gonna say Scandinavian countries too but I have heard of a lot of institutional and general racism there (although where isn't there that right now...). Probably still a top choice though when it comes to run of the mill racism vs full on Nazis I guess.

[-] 11111one11111@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

Well, duh. A slowly boiling pot of water is just a fucking hot tub for 90% of the time you're in it.

[-] dx1@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This isn't the first empire. Masses can be brainwashed. You can even have multiple layers of brainwashing, like how Republicans are extremely brainwashed, and Democrats are secondarily brainwashed to think they're the moral opposition, while both of them unquestioningly support the undercurrent of global imperialism.

Literally the only escape is the entire population being fully educated on the nature of politics, economics, societies, history. A people cannot realize a free and just society without completely understanding what that requires. Until then you're all just a fish flopping around on the floor of a boat.

[-] tryptamine@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Inside the pot: slowly boiling water

Outside the pot: raging inferno that is heating the pot

When given the option to slowly boil, or jump into a raging inferno, I think most people would think twice about jumping out of the pot.

[-] Shezzagrad@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 months ago

Pot boiling and the raging inferno are both in America. Go and explore, the world is more peaceful then you think

[-] tryptamine@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 months ago

I understand, but like lots of people in America I was born here and have have had my wages suppressed because of multiple “once in a lifetime” financial crises to the point I can’t afford to travel, and therefore I can’t afford to immigrate.

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[-] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 11 points 2 months ago

ok. ok. ok. this is a bit of a stretch. I mean its really not all that slow.

[-] fallowseed@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

jordan peterson has some knowledge about lobsters he'd like to share with you.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago
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[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

That's what the woke mob would have you believe! The water isn't getting warmer at all! Believe me!

[-] Engywuck@lemm.ee 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

USA != America

[-] untorquer@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Hahaha...

No just the ones who jumped out had means. The pot has a lid.

[-] insomniac_lemon@lemmy.cafe 5 points 2 months ago

Water? Preposterous!

A giant pot of delicious soon-to-be stew, however... mighty tempting, doc! You'll have to treat me right though, you wouldn't want to get food poisoning from stringy meat would ya?

[-] introvertcatto 5 points 2 months ago

Isn't it for all animals. If you keep slowly increasing temperature their body temperature will more easily come to equilibrium with outside temperature than it will if you just put them to hot boiling pot?

[-] Rhaedas@fedia.io 18 points 2 months ago

No, it's a fallacy. What is true is called "creeping normality", and it's absolutely what humans do to large scale and/or slow changes.

[-] Admax@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

If it's not another name for it, it's definitely very close to the Overton Window.

[-] themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago

Yes but you have to lobotomize the frogs first.

Tell that to my cat who keep trying to go outside when its freezing and its winter. Wtf

[-] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago

Also the only animal whose greed and hoarding behavior outdoes it's conspecific altruism.

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[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago

yeah pretty much.

They say education is the most important thing.

I'm inclined to agree, but we might honestly be past democracy in a post truth world, i'm not sure we deserve the rights we have.

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