Everyone's memeing but it looks grim.

Having AI turn into an arms race between China and the U.S. will only accelerate its growth. For a while it looked like AI was stagnating, the bubble might burst, and people were tempering their expectations of what we had. That just got thrown out the window. I can't think of any way you could damage the competitiveness of what China is offering, so U.S. tech now have to improve and there will probably be greater support from the U.S. government to see that improvement.

People simply don't win in the long term when these improvements will go towards taking their jobs.

Assuming that poster is from the US, it is amazing that he calls another country a "cop state".

Are the robbers and thieves now infighting?

NOICE!

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He says they're faking the low cost, but it's open source. You can download and run it yourself.

THEY'RE DAMAGING AI COMPETITIVENESS BY COMPETING AGAINST OUR AI WITH THEIR AI!!!!

free market capitalist when a new competitor enters the market who happens to be foreign: noooooo this is economic warfare!!!!!

We literally are at the stage where when someone says: “this is a psyop” then that is the psyop. When someone says: “these drag queens are groomers” they are the groomers. When someone says: “the establishment wants to keep you stupid and poor” they are the establishment who want to keep you stupid and poor.

I wasn't under the impression American AI was profitable either. I thought it was held up by VC funding and over valued stock. I may be wrong though. Haven't done a deep dive on it.

Okay, I literally didn't even post the comment yet and did the most shallow of dives. Open AI is not profitable. https://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/27/openai-sees-5-billion-loss-this-year-on-3point7-billion-in-revenue.html

Why is everyone making this about a U.S. vs. China thing and not an LLMs suck and we should not be in favor of them anywhere thing?

So this guy is just going to pretend that all of these AI startups in thee US offering tokens at a fraction of what they should be in order to break-even (let alone make a profit) are not doing the exact same thing?

Every prompt everyone makes is subsidized by investors’ money. These companies do not make sense, they are speculative and everyone is hoping to get their own respective unicorn and cash out before the bill comes due.

My company grabbed 7200 tokens (min of footage) on Opus for like $400. Even if 90% of what it turns out for us is useless it’s still a steal. There is no way they are making money on this. It’s not sustainable. Either they need to lower the cost to generate their slop (which deep think could help guide!) or they need to charge 10x what they do. They’re doing the user acquisition strategy of social media and it’s absurd.

I don't understand why everyone's freaking out about this.

Saying you can train an AI for "only" 8 million. It is a bit like saying that it's cheaper to have a bunch of university professors do something than to teach a student how to do it. Yeah and that is true, as long as you forget about the expense of training the professors in the first place.

It's a distilled model, so where are you getting the original data from if not for the other LLMs?

Interesting that all the propaganda and subversiveness is coming from the US, not China. Having the opposite of the desired effect.

Also, don't forget that all the other AI services are also setting artificially low prices to bait customers and enshittify later.

It's models are literally open source.

People have this fear of trusting the Chinese government, and I get it, but that doesn't make all of china bad. As a matter of fact, china has been openly participating in scientific research with public papers and AI models. They might have helped ChatGPT get to where it's at.

Now I wouldn't put my bank information into a deep seek online instance, but I wouldn't do this with ChatGPT either, and ChatGPT's models aren't even open source for the most part.

I have more reasons to trust deep seek as opposed to chatgpt.

Also what's more American than taking a loss to under cut competition and then hiking when everyone else goes out of business

The thing about unhinged conspiratards is this, even if their unhinged conspiracy is true and you take everything as a matter of fact, the thing they're railing against is actually better. Like on this case. Deepseek, from what we can tell, is better. Even if they spent $500Bil and are undercutting the competition that's capitalism baby! I think ai is a farce and those resources should be put to better use.

Names in chinese AI papers: Chinese.

Names in memerican AI papers: Chinese.

"Our chinese vs their chinese"

US corporate sector throwing a tantrum when it gets beat at it's own game.