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[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 61 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I'm sorry, but if you didn't vote Dem in this election, you're an idiot of the highest caliber.

Vote Trump, you're an idiot for obvious reasons.

Vote anyone else in an election like this one, you're an idiot. The 3rd party candidate with the most votes only got half of a single percent of the total votes. In other words, no 3rd party candidate had even the whisper of a chance of winning.

If you're willing to gamble on a sure-to-lose scenario in an election as serious as the 2024 election, you're an idiot.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

if you didn’t vote Dem in this election, you’re an idiot of the highest caliber

Support for the GOP correlates heavily with the presence of a fossil fuel industry in a given state or electoral district. It also tilts heavily by gender, with women and pocs tilting heavily Dem (black women vote ~~Republican~~ Democrat in the 90-95% range) while white men are around 2:1 Republican.

The party politics flows accordingly, delivering the red meat their base voters crave while focusing the more material policies toward their respective donor bases.

What's really fucked things of late has been Dems pandering to factions that don't actually support them (huge Dem support for AIPAC when Israel special interests were leaning hard right, huge Dem support for the domestic tech sector when Bezos/Zuck/Elon were throwing their support behind Trump, Harris parading around with Liz Cheney to the cheers of basically nobody).

If you’re willing to gamble on a sure-to-lose scenario in an election as serious as the 2024 election, you’re an idiot.

Republicans and Democrats both love a big rug pull. The difference on Lemmy is that you'll see plenty of people recognize the scam that is $TRUMP coin the moment it is announced, but you'll still see them doggedly defend Biden for stiffing college debtors while throwing billions into an Infrastructure Investment Act for a Silicon Valley crowd that hate him.

[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Agree with most of what you're saying except

see them doggedly defend Biden for stiffing college debtors

Biden did more for college debtors than any president, ever. Did he entirely eliminate college debt? No. No one who was critically thinking actually thought that was going to happen, because what was probably going to happen was what ended up happening. A bunch of roadblocks got thrown in his way, including the Supreme Court. But he still eliminated many millions of dollars in college debt for a lot of people.

There's no doubt that the Democratic party is not particularly great at running campaigns. But that doesn't absolve the American populace from their duty to be reasonably informed. The Democratic party can run a dogshit campaign and people who are reasonably informed can still look at the hard data and see which party is a better bet for the economy and average Americans.

And to be clear, in a sane world, they did run a better campaign than the Republicans who ran on hate, fear, and absolute ridiculousness. IMMIGRANTS ARE EATING PEOPLE'S PETS IN SPRINGFIELD, OHIO.

That shit worked because Americans are pretty goddamn stupid. That's not the Democrat's fault, especially since they actually vote in favor of our educational system instead of trying to privatize it, like Republicans. The brunt of this shitshow we find ourselves in falls squarely on American voters and their lack of education/morals.

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[-] PyroNeurosis 6 points 1 week ago

Not to say the 2024 pres. election wasn't important, but when was the last election where you would have said "sure, go vote for that 3rd party"?

[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Never.

Why?

Because no 3rd party has done the necessary work to become a nationally viable party. No 3rd party will be viable until they start investing in candidates in local/state elections.

There is no cheat code to make a 3rd party candidate president. 3rd parties have to start winning local/state offices, then get representatives in the House, then the Senate, before even having the possibility of running a candidate that can win a presidential election.

Anyone voting 3rd party for president is extraordinarily ignorant and assisting in the decline of this nation on the fastest timeline possible.

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[-] labbbb2@thelemmy.club 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Someone can tell me why they voted for Trump and right away after that abuse of power became OK and rule of law in US significantly deteoriated? In democracy it would be possible to right away impeach Trump, or re-count the votes, or investigate it, or something like that...

[-] prole 5 points 1 week ago

Because it's "their team."

I truly wish there was more to it.

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[-] GladiusB@lemmy.world 52 points 1 week ago

Good! We want boring. I don't want to look at our government every other day and think this is the day we are going to die. Or loved ones. Or stupid fucking decisions that have nothing to do with the voters. We long for boring.

[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

I remember tuning into the morning news every morning during his first presidency to make sure the US hadn't imploded overnight. There was always some new shocking shit every time. This week has been no different.

[-] hark@lemmy.world 39 points 1 week ago

Speaking of 2020, remember when democrats worked hard to pour all their support behind Biden over Bernie? What was the explanation for that?

[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

remember when democrats worked hard to pour all their support behind Biden over Bernie? What was the explanation for that?

Biden got more votes?

Like, it's not that complicated. Lookup both Democratic primaries Bernie has been in. He got crushed in popular votes both times. I like Bernie. You apparently do too. Doesn't mean most voters do. He lost the popular vote. Twice.

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

I wouldn't say he got crushed. But you're not wrong. Despite people being wrong down voting you for saying that he lost the popular vote. He 100% did. I can say that as someone who voted for sanders. Unfortunately a lot of Sanders voters can't.

A lot of the Democrats primary rules weren't very democratic. But Sanders knew what they were going in. And Democrats didn't break the rules. And despite losing, Sanders got shit done and helped make the rules more democratic for the future.

[-] hark@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

If Biden was getting more votes, why did the democratic party collude to make all the other candidates drop and put their support behind Biden while funding a super PAC to keep Warren in the race to split votes with Bernie right before the critical point of super tuesday? They also had their buddies in big media play the narrative of "the Biden miracle" where he edged ahead in South Carolina thanks to a single critical endorsement by Clyburn but was doing poorly before then. For this favor, the democrats moved South Carolina up in the primaries in 2024, even though South Carolina went to Trump in both 2020 and 2024 for the general election.

The democratic party felt so threatened by Bernie that they put their thumb on the scale during their own party primary which is already biased towards party-favored "moderate" candidates since people more in line with the party are more likely to vote in them.

[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago
[-] hark@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

So you decided to completely ignore the point of my post to reiterate "Biden got more votes?" even though the whole point of my post is to show how that's a fallacious argument. Then you went on to spit out the tired talking point "most progressive president in our lifetimes" which is an extremely low bar to clear when democrats refuse to let anyone actually progressive through their party-controlled primary process.

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Because it happens in, every, single, election. It wasn't some special treatment Sanders got. Serious question, did you just come of voting age in the last 5 years? I've been at it for over 30 now, and have seen this several times.

[-] hark@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Do you think that makes it okay?

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[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

Every single independent voter I talked voted for Orange Nero. That is how they conceal their racist neo-Nazi bullshit beliefs.

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[-] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

"I don't feel comfortable voting for a woman with the same policies"

[-] Spiderwort@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The billionaires with their hand up Trump's ass are clearly more evil than the billionaires with their hand up Biden's ass.

[-] ZMonster@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

I mean, yes and yes, but unfortunately yes. It's possible for a capitalist shit stain to be worse than a capitalist pee stain, even if only by a near indiscernible margin. Which mattress would you rather??

[-] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

More like: He’s so…old

[-] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago

Trump is 3 years younger and plainly aging worse than Biden.

[-] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

I wouldn’t say that at all. It’s hard to tell because of trumps make up but Biden looks like absolute dog shit. His final months in office he looked like a strong wind will blow him over and break both of his legs.

Both men look their age but Biden was clearly the older of the two and had no business running for a second term. Whether he was healthier or not is irrelevant.

[-] spooky2092 21 points 1 week ago

I'll take the low energy and working brain over high energy dementia

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[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Trump looks more energetic, but sounds quite old if you ever actually watch one of his longer speeches. He rambles on and goes off on tangents like a great grandpa.

I think people from both isles have this "image" of Trump they get from all the headlines, influencers and such whereas Biden does not have that kind of cult following simply because he's less controversial. His image is more from his carefully controlled public performances (which are basically a lie too).

They both looked alarmingly old to me on this election, but I think Trump's critical mass let many voters "miss" that alarming trait. I have nothing against old people… but I wouldn’t have wanted my grandpa (may he RIP) holding the nuclear football.

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[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

If you think conservatives actually cared about Biden's age, you are sorely mistaken. The proof being they elected an extremely sundowning dipshit that's basically the same age but aging way worse.

Was just another tactic to get dipshit independent (and some Democrat) voters to shy away from Biden. And it worked, because Americans are dumb.

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[-] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Imagine being the pro genocide candidate (Trump) and your opponents voter base (Harris) votes for you to stop the genocide 🤡 /s

Edit: edited because I guess the joke wasn’t clear. Cheeto man bad.

[-] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 13 points 1 week ago

I can’t tell the difference between red and blue genocide.

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Blue opposes in words, but aids by supplying weapons while saying they can only be used for defense against other countries but not enforcing that restriction.

Red says fuck the Palestinians, genocide is fine.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 9 points 1 week ago

There's also the implication that Blue does have a line, somewhere. Probably related to polling numbers.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 week ago

President Joe Biden Sets "Red Line" For Netanyahu (2024, Colorized)

[-] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 week ago

Exactly. In my experience it works like this:

  1. Blue maga folks make a post bitching again about left-wing voters staying home - precisely what those left wing voters explicitly and repeatedly warned the centrist dems they would do if Biden didn't stop weapons shipments to Israel.

  2. In that post, blue maga folks will say, "well, for some reason all the leftists who spoke against Biden have mysteriously disappeared. We never hear from them again. I guess they were all just Russian plants."

  3. In the comments, they receive numerous comments from leftists who didn't vote for Kalama, or in my case, someone who did vote for Kamala, but still fully understands why people didn't vote for her.

  4. Blue maga downvotes the Hell out of the leftist post instead of engaging in good faith. They downvote until their posts cannot be seen anymore.

  5. Blue maga goes on pretending that the anti-genocide leftists have all just mysteriously disappeared.

[-] Lumiluz@slrpnk.net 17 points 1 week ago

Leftists don't let Nazis get into power, even if it means dealing with corporatists some more years.

You're not a leftist. You did nothing to avoid the farthest of the right-wing from gaining possibly absolute power. You did nothing to keep things leftward, or even center right - you just allowed the fascists to take over without a struggle.

You're not the resistance, you're not a helper, you're not leftist; you're nothing.

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[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

precisely what those left wing voters explicitly and repeatedly warned the centrist dems they would do

So, like, they told us they were going to be stupid?

What do you do with people straight up telling you they're going to be stupid?

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[-] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago

Blue is only ok with 1 external genocide and there was a possibility of pressuring Blue to be a decent human. Red is starting an internal genocide while supporting 2+ external genocides. Red would start another genocide just to be contrarian. With no other options less genocide is a fairly simple choice over more genocide. Not choosing less genocide allows more genocide. Congrats the blood is up to your knees and rising instead of just your ankles.

[-] spooky2092 6 points 1 week ago

Well, we can't make you see the difference if you don't want to.

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[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

That's because you aren't informed.

[-] simplejack@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Like choosing to eat uranium because cancer treatment would give you something to do after work.

[-] enbyecho@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

"I wanted to be outraged and lose sleep daily. I need to yell at my computer and throw things at my TV in order to feel alive"

[-] niktemadur@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

"I think politics should always be entertaining. Then I get annoyed that politicians are always drawing attention to themselves and there's always drama. I cannot even visualize living life any other way. I find myself to be very intelligent! And pure. I find myself to be very intelligent and pure. At the center of the universe! I mean... I turn around, I see the horizon always at the same distance... I must be at the center of the universe. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. I find myself to be very intelligent, and pure, and at the center of the universe."

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