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[-] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 13 points 2 weeks ago

I can’t tell the difference between red and blue genocide.

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 31 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Blue opposes in words, but aids by supplying weapons while saying they can only be used for defense against other countries but not enforcing that restriction.

Red says fuck the Palestinians, genocide is fine.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 9 points 2 weeks ago

There's also the implication that Blue does have a line, somewhere. Probably related to polling numbers.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 weeks ago

President Joe Biden Sets "Red Line" For Netanyahu (2024, Colorized)

[-] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 weeks ago

Exactly. In my experience it works like this:

  1. Blue maga folks make a post bitching again about left-wing voters staying home - precisely what those left wing voters explicitly and repeatedly warned the centrist dems they would do if Biden didn't stop weapons shipments to Israel.

  2. In that post, blue maga folks will say, "well, for some reason all the leftists who spoke against Biden have mysteriously disappeared. We never hear from them again. I guess they were all just Russian plants."

  3. In the comments, they receive numerous comments from leftists who didn't vote for Kalama, or in my case, someone who did vote for Kamala, but still fully understands why people didn't vote for her.

  4. Blue maga downvotes the Hell out of the leftist post instead of engaging in good faith. They downvote until their posts cannot be seen anymore.

  5. Blue maga goes on pretending that the anti-genocide leftists have all just mysteriously disappeared.

[-] Lumiluz@slrpnk.net 17 points 2 weeks ago

Leftists don't let Nazis get into power, even if it means dealing with corporatists some more years.

You're not a leftist. You did nothing to avoid the farthest of the right-wing from gaining possibly absolute power. You did nothing to keep things leftward, or even center right - you just allowed the fascists to take over without a struggle.

You're not the resistance, you're not a helper, you're not leftist; you're nothing.

Fun fact: the KPD refuses to work with the SPD becauae they view the SPD as "social fascists". Since the KPD and NSDAP combined is a majority, that means the parties had to work with either one of the two to form a governement. Eventually a coalition government was formed with the NSDAP with hitler as chancellor, and the rest is history.

[-] spooky2092 8 points 2 weeks ago

Oh wow, so it really is just a speedrun 1920s/30s Germany.

[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Yes, it's starting to actually look like that.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Fun fact: the SPD refused to work with the KPD because they viewed them as "just as bad as the Nazis" and instead supported the "moderate" right which only exacerbated the decline, and it was the candidate they endorsed (Hindenburg) because "he's the only way to stop Hitler (and Thälmann)" who appointed Hitler chancellor and allowed him to seize power.

[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

precisely what those left wing voters explicitly and repeatedly warned the centrist dems they would do

So, like, they told us they were going to be stupid?

What do you do with people straight up telling you they're going to be stupid?

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yes, we did.

Let's play a game. You and me have to agree on how to split $100, but if we don't come to agreement, nobody gets anything. If I were a smart, rational person, then even if you were only willing to give me $1, I should accept, because it's better than $0. But I'm not a smart, rational person, I'm stupid, I'm irrational, I'm spiteful and vindictive, oogy boogy, watch out! I'm gonna choose a number as my minimum, and if you offer me less than that, I'll take my ball and go home, no matter how crazy or stupid it is to take nothing. And if you know that, I bet you offer me more than $1 next time.

Obviously, the "game theory rational" play of accepting any deal even if it's $1 isn't actually smart or reasonable, nor is it unreasonable to set and enforce a minimum standard for cooperation. We can argue over where that line should be drawn, but a line should be drawn somewhere, and I'm pretty damn sure genocide is crossing it.

Of course, it's impossible to get you lot to see actual reason or understand how negotiation works, but failing that, I'd prefer that you see us as "stupid" or "unreasonable." Because negotiating with a robot is incredibly easy, you hardly have to give them anything, just make it .000001% better than the alternative. But if you can convince the other side you're "unreasonable," then they'll always be second-guessing "Did we give them enough?" So call us "stupid" as much as you like, it only gives us a stronger negotiating position 💅

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago
[-] hark@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Don't forget: 4.5. Leftists get moderated for saying Biden supported genocide (with the reason given for the moderation being "misinformation") and receive a ban.

[-] Lightor@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

First we had the victim complex, now we introduce the pre-victim complex, now with more self pity!

[-] prole 2 points 1 week ago

blue maga

Thanks for putting this so early in the comment so I know to stop reading!

[-] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

Thanks for outing yourself as blue maga.

[-] spacesatan@leminal.space 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

And of course during the next primary: 'we have to rally around 90% hitler to stand a chance against 100% hitler. 0% hitler is just too radical to win the general election. If anything we need more hitler to win over the centrists'

[-] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 weeks ago

Blue is only ok with 1 external genocide and there was a possibility of pressuring Blue to be a decent human. Red is starting an internal genocide while supporting 2+ external genocides. Red would start another genocide just to be contrarian. With no other options less genocide is a fairly simple choice over more genocide. Not choosing less genocide allows more genocide. Congrats the blood is up to your knees and rising instead of just your ankles.

[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

That's because you aren't informed.

[-] spooky2092 6 points 2 weeks ago

Well, we can't make you see the difference if you don't want to.

[-] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago

Of course there’s a difference if you really get into it, but much like the two main parties here, I don’t see the point.

[-] spooky2092 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Again, we can't make you see the point if you don't want to.

You appear to be looking to not tell the two apart, and I don't particularly care to go into all the reasons why this mentality is stupid and reductive as hell to the point of being actively poisonous to the ends you're working to achieve. Because I've had this conversation before, and I literally can't make you see the point in looking into the differences when you don't want to. And, imo, that's the exact mentality that got us here, because why bother voting less bad when ThErE's No DiFfErEnCe BeTwEeN tHeM.

Perfect is the enemy of better, and chasing perfection instead of improving things is only going to burn it down. Which is also what a number of people who share your point of view want. And unfortunately, now is the time of monsters.....

[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Propaganda works and it made a SHIT TON of Americans stupid enough to not grasp the obvious differences between the parties. All you have to do is browse both party's voting history or look up both party's criminal convictions and the difference becomes so extreme it's undeniable.

But Americans are generally too lazy and stupid to do that simple task.

[-] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

I’m trying to make a point about how similar they are, I don’t think you’ve understood that, don’t see the point in arguing with a leftist. We have a similar issue.

[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

You should just stop posting on social media and start doing your due diligence and looking up both party's voting history and criminal conviction history.

If you did, you'd stop this "both sides" bullshit.

[-] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It’s American politics and both your parties look similar from where I’m sitting. Ours are far from perfect, but they’re still better.

[-] Lightor@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
  • makes an inflammatory comment
  • someone responds to it
  • you say you don't want to argue about the topic you initiated
  • continue to engage with that person while also admitting to looking at it from the outside in

What you say and what you want, do, and say don't see to line up. You'd do great in US politics.

With your own mindset I'm gonna just say your government is much worse than ours in many ways and I don't want to argue about it.

[-] spooky2092 3 points 1 week ago

Oh don't get me wrong, I understand the point you're trying to make just fine. It's just a bad argument that falls apart if you aren't entirely privileged and give it more than a cursory, surface level look.

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