It's nice to think about taking your ball and going home. However, if we denigrate Texas everytime they threaten to secede we really shouldn't be giving California a pass.

Edit- fix fat finger spelling

🐻New California Republic🐻

Can we coordinate with Oregon and Washington to join Canada?

That aside, California leads the US in many ways, but we have a tendency to go too far and do really dumb things. We're pretty good at self congratulations even when other states stare, slack-jawed at our blunders. It's nice to have perspective.

Honestly at this point I feel the US would do great by splitting and becoming a confederation (think EU styles autonomy).

I think the differences are just too big to have a functioning state.

I also understand that the push towards these movements is often done by Russian propaganda, who want to do anything to split up the US and NATO.

I know Cali won't HAVE to, but can they join Canada?

Lots of peoole didn't read the article

According to the text of the measure, the state would be required to create a 20-member state commission to study California's viability as an independent country in 2027 and to publish a report the following year.
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If the ballot question is approved, the proposal would declare a "vote of no confidence in the United States of America", but would not change the state's government or its relationship with the U.S. The measure would also call for the removal of the U.S. flag from all state buildings.

please call it the "New California Republic"

1. Brexit was clever wordplay, every proposal since hasn't been. Fuckin "Calexit", do better.

2. Yeah, you don't get to just leave a country. Believe it or not, there was actually at least one war about that!

3. Fuck CBS for their cancer ass website.

Sorry California, you will have to negotiate with Colorado and Arizona for your water. So basically you have to take us with you.

For all of the reasons given, secession from the United States is a bad idea. But I'm going to keep banging this drum: The metropolises need to secede from their states, while staying part of the United States. Heck, Los Angeles County alone has more people than 40 of the states. It's about time that they got fair representation.

It's a moot point anyway, though, because the ruling post-Civil war (Texas v. White, specifically) determined that unilateral secession was not allowed. In order for California to leave they would either have to come to an agreement with the Federal government to do so (or a majority of all other state legislatures, or something... there's no precedent) or fight a war against the rest of the union and win, forcing capitulation and a concession.

Both possibilities seem extremely remote.

This is only posturing, and even if it passes it is not designed to result in California actually leaving the union.

It would be cool if they actually called themselves the NCR

CA better get their hands on some ICBMs. Keep one pointed at DC, and another pointed at Mar-a-Lago. It's pretty much the only way a state can keep its sovereignty.

Y'know, as unrealistic as this (probably? I'm not really sure of anything, anymore) is, seeing this pop up in my scrolling gave me a bit of relief. I've been so terrified and angry and anxious and unsure of the (immediate) future that it's practically paralyzed me. Knowing that this pipedream is there helped me breathe for a moment. I'll take what relief I can get right now.

Okay, but then California becomes a smaller country bordering a much larger fascist neighbor with the largest military in the world.

In what world is that a good outcome?

Yes, please. As a Californian who is already looking to move abroad, it would be a dream come true for my state to do it for me.

Something that might work out better and would be a lot easier to do (thought still not very easy), would be to split into 3 (or 4?) states.

California has almost 12% of the US population concentrated in that one state! By far most of the states contain about 2% or less of the US population each.

By splitting, the population would be better represented in the Senate with 6 senators between them instead of only 2, and there might be a net gain in some other benefits that are given on the state level.

edit: I see that someone had already brought this idea up, but IMO it's a good idea that they should seriously consider!

Fight for better more fair representation, secession solves nothing.

This is stupid and a pointless gesture. Do something more productive with your time.

God dammit I find this so fucking hilarious. Every time a Republican wins you'll inevitably see an article talking about California is to leave. And on the flip side every time we get a Democrat in office fuckin Texas starts bitching and tryna leave.

I'm not going to say it'll never happen, but I would be willing to bet all the 7 dollars I have to my name that it's not gonna happen.