At least we don't have Genocide Joe! (/s in case I actually need to write that)
Yea! We just had to teach bLueMagA a lesson at the polls this particular election cycle
This might come off as funny if it weren't for the fact that "genocide Joe" is entirely fair.
After literal decades of trying to convince the Democratic establishment that being marginally better than the fascists isn't "good enough", I don't personally have much tolerance for scolding voters. Maybe this election could have been won, but the eventual outcome was inevitable. Neoliberalism is woefully incapable of restraining fascism.
Yeah! So we should vote in fascism! And then actively rip apart the non fascists…. That will definitely create a great new liberal party right? So what’s the plan after the fascists take over?…… there is a great next step that will make the 4d chess move of electing the fascists make sense….tight?
Imho this is not really 4d chess. Its boring old simple 2d chess. Hitler would not have been able to come to power in a country filled with lots of super radical lefty people. The longer you allow Nazis to "peacefully" shift the overton window to the right, the easier it will be for them to eventually grab power. The only solution to this is open political / civil war. If you keep sitting around just voting for the lesser evil, it will keep shifting to the right because the frog doesnt notice the water getting hot. Democrats have been stagnant in their political position for decades while republicans have been constantly moving further right. This was inevitable and the sooner the US gets this over with, the more likely the chances are of them not turning into a full dictatorship because there are still people left that are willing to resist.
Okay here's the thing: Y'all need to either found a progressive third party or coopt the Democratic party. I don't care which, but pick one, stick to it and actually make progress on it. The current dichotomy between neoliberals and fascists was always going to end with fascists winning. It's simple math, really; if a Democrat in charge gets you X (could be 0, but let's face it it's some small but positive number) steps towards fascism and a Republican in charge gets you Y (>X) steps towards fascism then no matter how you look at it your only possible end state is fascism. To steer yourselves out of the fascism course you need to switch up the values such that on average you move away from fascism every election, and that ain't happening with the current DNC leadership in charge. I don't have the answer on how to overthrow neoliberals (though I do have my guesses) but y'all are driving full speed ahead towards fascism land and the "let's decelerate a bit" party won't change that.
It has to be a takeover of the Democratic party. Third party strategies are non-starters in a first past the post election system.
I think your assessment is 100% correct.
While a third party would have a long way to go (possibly never) before it can run for the presidency, I seriously think it's possible to overthrow the two main parties in at least a few states and secure a foothold in Congress, like Bernie did but on a larger scale. Let's also not forget the impact of state and local politics. The spoiler effect definitely complicates things, but I don't think it's any more of a problem than the fossils running the DNC.
Yeah! So we should vote in fascism!
Is that what I said? Anyone who voted for Trump did something they "shouldn't". Anyone who stayed home did something they shouldn't. Israel shouldn't have done a genocide. Biden shouldn't have supported Israel in committing a genocide. Yeah!?
I'm just adding that Democratic voters shouldn't have nominated Biden in 2020. Fascist victory became inevitable because of that mistake. The particulars of losing this election are almost irrelevant. If it wasn't Trump, it would be someone else. If it wasn't 2024, then it would be 2028.
The Democratic strategy of being marginally less shitty than Republicans is predicated on the assumption that voters will consistently make the most rational decisions in all circumstances. That was a dumb assumption and one that should die with this election. It's not good enough to be marginally less enthusiastic about supporting a genocide.
I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I hate the term "Genocide Joe":
See the expression should be Netanyahu is treating the Palestinians like Hitler did the Jews. So why are we [Joe/Harris] so blindly following this.
And I know the political answer to this is Joe/Harris were trying to use there position for political pressure.. I'd say it failed but they did get a last min ceasefire, so history may prove otherwise.
"marginally better?" Really? Guess when you're just that far out everything on the horizon looks similar.
At least centrists didn't have to abandon their support for genocide.
Don't misrepresent people's views. If they're wrong, you should easily be able to win the argument against even the best interpretation of their stance.
I'm not misrepresenting anything.
I'm not arguing with someone who does.
Leftists have full on embraced it.
So what's your point?
Was this election so unimportant to the Democrats that they couldn't pressure Israel into a ceasefire in October?
Biden had all the power for the past 15 months. Failing to deliver anything and claiming they are "working tirelessly" can only mean incompetence or deception on the part of Democrats.
Blaming Palestinian-Americsns for staying home when American bombs were killing their families is just such a weak take.
You read: "At least we don't have Genocide Joe! (Sarcasm indicated)"
You responded to: "Those damn Palestinians costing us the election! How dare they!"
Please re-read the comment. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Waffling+the+Pancakes
Was this election so unimportant that non-voters and 3rd party voters couldn’t be bothered to cast their vote in concert with those that would stand in the way of a dictator?
There’s FAR more at risk than a genocide. Take a look around for once.
The 53 days have started.
Hitler opened the meeting by boasting that millions of Germans had welcomed his chancellorship with “jubilation,” then outlined his plans for expunging key government officials and filling their positions with loyalists. At this point he turned to his main agenda item: the empowering law that, he argued, would give him the time (four years, according to the stipulations laid out in the draft of the law) and the authority necessary to make good on his campaign promises to revive the economy, reduce unemployment, increase military spending, withdraw from international treaty obligations, purge the country of foreigners he claimed were “poisoning” the blood of the nation, and exact revenge on political opponents. “Heads will roll in the sand,” Hitler had vowed at one rally.
Sounds about right in line
Damn the similarities are uncanny.....
The only real way to curb settlers violence and support a two state solution is no more weapon at all to israel and global sanctions on the israeli state itself. Something the two genocidal parties would never do
That would be nice. But one party’s voters think that Arabs deserve no quarter. The other party’s voters are somewhat split and nuanced on the issue. So if you want only zero funding for Israel, or no vote, you’re going to get the party who believes in no mercy, kill all Muslims, and annex all of Palestinian lands yesterday.
I heard Kamala's policy is bad for Palestinian from here and also the Palestinian community in US. Happy now?
I'd sure be happy if we were just starting Bernie's second term. With third way neoliberalism still firmly in control of the Democrats, an eventual fall to fascists was inevitable. It just happened to be this election.
The vast majority of people who criticized Kamala online still voted for her. They knew the cost.
The problem is voters who don't pay as close of attention, who only vote based on single issues, which we have a lot of in the USA.
So, Israel bought a bunch of his coins?
Ding ding ding.
The existence of this coin is two fold.
But I was told buy a guy at work that the war would be over within 24 hours!
Where are my lemmygrad Russian trolls now???
Out celebrating that they didn't vote for Genocide™
Uh... Y'all do realize these "sanctions" meant basically nothing right? Cry about Gaza non-voters when he actually does something (which he will don't get me wrong, but this is just weak).
What a lame response. Treat this situation with the respect it deserves, or get out.
Okay what? I'm not sure what exactly you want me to respect here. I'm calling out the "look what not voting caused" circlejerk in the comments.
This is just the beginning. He’s making his position very clear.
Okay, and? Like I said above, save the "told you so" circlejerking for when he actually does something.
It's not about the actual move here. It's about what this signals. It's a flashing warning sign: Trump does not give a flying fuck about Palestine, and he is willing to do favors for genocidal maniacs on demand.
This will surely help peace.
This marks a reversal of Biden’s policy aimed at curbing settler violence and supporting a two-state solution.
He's gone, you don’t have to keep pandering to his fake ass policy that totally wasn't full send arms to Israel for 15 months. Blinken clocked out as well.
Not to mention we were all here when these sanctions got announced, rescinded, and then reannounced, in case it wasn't already clear a few settlers would likely never be traveling to the USA.
He’s gone, you don’t have to keep pandering to his fake ass policy that totally wasn’t full send arms to Israel for 15 months
At least it was something. Trump full on recognized the settlements, giving legitimacy and urging Netanyahu to escalate further. You don't need to pretend like you havent completely fucked over every palestinian by not voting Harris.
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