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Trump cancels sanctions on Israeli settlers in West Bank
(denvergazette.com)
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At least we don't have Genocide Joe! (/s in case I actually need to write that)
Yea! We just had to teach bLueMagA a lesson at the polls this particular election cycle
This might come off as funny if it weren't for the fact that "genocide Joe" is entirely fair.
After literal decades of trying to convince the Democratic establishment that being marginally better than the fascists isn't "good enough", I don't personally have much tolerance for scolding voters. Maybe this election could have been won, but the eventual outcome was inevitable. Neoliberalism is woefully incapable of restraining fascism.
Yeah! So we should vote in fascism! And then actively rip apart the non fascists…. That will definitely create a great new liberal party right? So what’s the plan after the fascists take over?…… there is a great next step that will make the 4d chess move of electing the fascists make sense….tight?
Okay here's the thing: Y'all need to either found a progressive third party or coopt the Democratic party. I don't care which, but pick one, stick to it and actually make progress on it. The current dichotomy between neoliberals and fascists was always going to end with fascists winning. It's simple math, really; if a Democrat in charge gets you X (could be 0, but let's face it it's some small but positive number) steps towards fascism and a Republican in charge gets you Y (>X) steps towards fascism then no matter how you look at it your only possible end state is fascism. To steer yourselves out of the fascism course you need to switch up the values such that on average you move away from fascism every election, and that ain't happening with the current DNC leadership in charge. I don't have the answer on how to overthrow neoliberals (though I do have my guesses) but y'all are driving full speed ahead towards fascism land and the "let's decelerate a bit" party won't change that.
It has to be a takeover of the Democratic party. Third party strategies are non-starters in a first past the post election system.
I think your assessment is 100% correct.
Who and which billionaire would do that?
There is no savior coming. That's what grass roots movements are for. It's gotta be the people.
I'm not holding my breath on neolib democrats taking over anything, they'll be quicker to side with the fascists for convenience and self preservation.
While a third party would have a long way to go (possibly never) before it can run for the presidency, I seriously think it's possible to overthrow the two main parties in at least a few states and secure a foothold in Congress, like Bernie did but on a larger scale. Let's also not forget the impact of state and local politics. The spoiler effect definitely complicates things, but I don't think it's any more of a problem than the fossils running the DNC.
With many thousands of state and local elections across the country, I do agree that there have to be niche circumstances where a third party strategy works, or might even be best. Even so, I just don't see that as something that can be built on to ever start winning at a national level.
Even in the case of Bernie, he runs on an "independent" brand, but it's understood that he is a Democrat.
Imho this is not really 4d chess. Its boring old simple 2d chess. Hitler would not have been able to come to power in a country filled with lots of super radical lefty people. The longer you allow Nazis to "peacefully" shift the overton window to the right, the easier it will be for them to eventually grab power. The only solution to this is open political / civil war. If you keep sitting around just voting for the lesser evil, it will keep shifting to the right because the frog doesnt notice the water getting hot. Democrats have been stagnant in their political position for decades while republicans have been constantly moving further right. This was inevitable and the sooner the US gets this over with, the more likely the chances are of them not turning into a full dictatorship because there are still people left that are willing to resist.
Is that what I said? Anyone who voted for Trump did something they "shouldn't". Anyone who stayed home did something they shouldn't. Israel shouldn't have done a genocide. Biden shouldn't have supported Israel in committing a genocide. Yeah!?
I'm just adding that Democratic voters shouldn't have nominated Biden in 2020. Fascist victory became inevitable because of that mistake. The particulars of losing this election are almost irrelevant. If it wasn't Trump, it would be someone else. If it wasn't 2024, then it would be 2028.
The Democratic strategy of being marginally less shitty than Republicans is predicated on the assumption that voters will consistently make the most rational decisions in all circumstances. That was a dumb assumption and one that should die with this election. It's not good enough to be marginally less enthusiastic about supporting a genocide.
I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I hate the term "Genocide Joe":
See the expression should be Netanyahu is treating the Palestinians like Hitler did the Jews. So why are we [Joe/Harris] so blindly following this.
And I know the political answer to this is Joe/Harris were trying to use there position for political pressure.. I'd say it failed but they did get a last min ceasefire, so history may prove otherwise.
I have had closee friends get very mad at me for making this point.
Netanyahu is bloodthirsty. Biden is spineless. This doesn't absolve him of his complicity, but they are distinct issues, and they should be addressed accordingly.
Nobody is confused about the fact that Netanyahu is giving the orders, but Biden kept sending cash and weapons (in violation of US law), kept participating in the coverup, and joined the chorus trying to frame anti-genocide protesters as antisemitic. I'm sure he has some stern words for Netanyahu, but that's not pressure. Biden ought to be in prison. He's lucky to just have a nickname.
"marginally better?" Really? Guess when you're just that far out everything on the horizon looks similar.
Just lazy
So what's your point?
Was this election so unimportant to the Democrats that they couldn't pressure Israel into a ceasefire in October?
Biden had all the power for the past 15 months. Failing to deliver anything and claiming they are "working tirelessly" can only mean incompetence or deception on the part of Democrats.
Blaming Palestinian-Americsns for staying home when American bombs were killing their families is just such a weak take.
Was this election so unimportant that non-voters and 3rd party voters couldn’t be bothered to cast their vote in concert with those that would stand in the way of a dictator?
There’s FAR more at risk than a genocide. Take a look around for once.
You are talking about people who voted loyal to Democrats for decades, donated and campaigned.
The democratic party took their votes for granted and wasn't even willing to talk to them.
You read: "At least we don't have Genocide Joe! (Sarcasm indicated)"
You responded to: "Those damn Palestinians costing us the election! How dare they!"
Please re-read the comment. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Waffling+the+Pancakes
At least centrists didn't have to abandon their support for genocide.
Don't misrepresent people's views. If they're wrong, you should easily be able to win the argument against even the best interpretation of their stance.
I'm not misrepresenting anything.
I'm not arguing with someone who does.
Leftists have full on embraced it.
At least tankies leveraged a genocide to install their favorite orange tyrant.
Seriously, you folks suck at hiding your true intent.
Do tell, what is my true intent?
This article was literally about American politics and how it affected the Israel-Palestine situation.