I didn't make it in the screenshot 😔
I also got banned for that LMFAO
I didn't even say anything about the 'strawman' I just said that "ban you for speaking too loudly" was bad
I’ve always been weary of that community. It had some tankie mod vibes.
I find that that's usually the case for most people. The part of the school system that was responsible for teaching them critical thinking skills really failed them. It's also why people try to dumb down politics into one of two sides, it's why our government will always inevitably fail. This guy is using the authoritarian label because that's as far as his understanding of politics go. The US is an oligarchy, the US is imperialist, the US is nepotistic, but it is not authoritarian, yet.
Having said that, there are groups certainly interested in claiming that so that the authoritarian label means less for other nations, the sort of nations they want to defend. Given the submissions in that "community", I would say this is the case here. People who really are against authoritarians and who might believe the US to be wouldn't go and whitewash other authoritarian states. This community is a manifestation of whataboutism propaganda IMO.
The US deserves criticism, but if you really want to make it, I would encourage avoiding places with an underlying agenda like this one. In case you disagree with me, you can test it out easily for yourself, just post there and compare the US to other countries you would consider de facto authoritarian states, and see which countries they have a problem with you bringing up for comparison.
The US is authoritarian in the form of inverted totalitarianism.
We don’t live under the dictatorship of the US government as would be traditional authoritarianism, we live under the dictatorship of capital which effectively owns the US government and controls the population by force.
You shouldn’t of gotten banned for that but at the same time mods have the right to protect their communities from people who argue in bad faith and given this is the internet it’s safe to assume bad faith. (Even if you weren’t)
Edit: it’s interesting that myself and a bunch of other queers have a very different opinion on what authoritarianism looks like compared to the average (straight male). I bet our life experience has nothing to do with it and we’re all just over sensitive whiners 🙄
Edit 2: I fucking hate liberals. Bunch a brainwashed la la land dwellers. China bad! USA good! 🦅🦅🦅🦅 (nobody mentioned China but glad it lives rent free in your head)
Bad faith....
Ok so then this is in bad faith, and so is the above. Guess we all get bans in order to "protect" communities from checks notes differing opinions.
Just because someone coined the term in 2003 doesn't mean there were better terms to address it, and frankly, adding an adjective onto a term that doesn't really fit it doesn't really change the fact that it is not authoritarian. In other words, I inverted agree with you.
I also got inverted banned by them. Meaning I was never banned from the community because I never participated in it, but I was in the totalitarian aspects that their ideology would have constrained with my liberty of expression. Or something. An inverted something. I just checked in case a sudden one had popped up over there, and the most recent ban I have are from several lemmy.ml communities because of how I offended their dear Kim Jong-un by reporting on one of his bans in a way that was not in accordance with the state sanctioned inverted liberty protocols.
To be fair, he didnt say he was against authoritariamism.
Is communism even possible without authoritarianism?
Edit: lol I pissed off the tankies
If everything is shared under communism, that would include political power. thus (imo) communism is a direct democracy.
Edit: forgot what thread I was in. What the hell does communism have to do with US authoritarianism?
Yeah, but humans are awful animals and true communism is a pipe dream.
The awful ones are awful. They're allowed to take power in the current system. We have awful rulers and the awful people who support them. We need only be aware of this phenomenon to mitigate it. Your solution appears to be not accepting possible solutions, which is just inaction. How does inaction stop awful people from destroying the planet?
They've been allowed to take power in basically every system that has ever existed. The entirety of human history is a showcase of the fact.
Sure, we might be able to be better on small scales, but there's a reason communism has never worked, and will never work on a large scale.
It looks great on paper, but not so much in practice. There's always going to be evil people who are only interested in personal gain at the expense of others who are charismatic enough to dupe the population into letting them and participate in the committing of atrocities.
Humans are just too easy to corrupt. I think it'll likely be our Great Filter.
Yes.
You're not wrong though. While it might be possible to do in theory people are not that nice or kind, you'll never get everyone to share what they have and not own or try to possess things without an authoritarian government forcing it. Maybe in a more ideal world you could achieve it but that's not the world we live in.
It's not possible with authoritarianism either :)
Unless you count the version everybody insists on calling "social democracy" nowadays. That one can be done.
Seems like all comments here are "whatabout communism"
US being an authoritarian shithole is pretty undisputable reality. It could be preferable to debate the point than outright banning the possibly misinformed, but the assumption of military bot troll propagandist is not unreasonable.
You and I disagree, so it’s obvious you’re just a Kremlin bot account, here to sow discontent.
Not really sure how you came to that conclusion, we definitely have our problems, we aren't perfect, but we definitely aren't an authoritarian state either
We have an Israel first rulership. Every politician pledges allegiance to Israel. Tik Tok ban is because it is not zionist media, and the theory that young people are opposed to genocide is because they use tik tok, even through IDF gloating videos promoting their attrocities are on Twitter too, as are muslim disapprovals of genocide.
You have zero freedom/power to stop your theft of war support of Israel or against Russia, Canada, Greenland, Panama or Europe. Or stopping your nuclear incineration. Citizen's united means only rich people speech counts. Congressional bills in congress will outlaw criticism of zionism/Israel. That you are currently permitted to have sex with people you choose is against the Christofascist agenda that will be pandered to in next 2-4 years. But it is the predetermination of democratic outcomes for the most favourable to Israel, war, oil, and the extreme corruption of by the oligarchy for the oligarchy rule, that makes the US more authoritarian than governments that simply contains divisive distractions, while defending and advancing the country's needs. "Democracy and Freedom" is complete BS used to warmonger those accused of being less liberal than apartheid ethnostate Israel.
You+state approved media have the freedom to say US is not authoritarian, while I'm still allowed to explain reality. But neither of our opinions has any relevance whatsoever on our oppression.
While we aren't as bad as some other countries we are still pretty authoritarian we have the largest prison population in the world and have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
That doesn't happen without being authoritarian.
The USA has the highest incarcerated population in the world. Per capita it's about 2-4x the list of "authoritarian" states that usually get referenced.
Do you want to do a quick compare on the rates of extrajudicial killings as well?
I don't know what better quantitative measurement for "authoritarian" are than life and liberty. Do you have better ones?
I get the ironic angle of the mod being "authoritarian" but that's their space and if they decide they don't want to deal with trolls arguing about they can ban people.
Just like trans communities can and should ban people who just want to argue about if trans people are real. If you try to argue against it you're just being a dick and distracting from the point of the community.
If the point of a community is spreading misinformation, you have a moral obligation to distract from the point of the community
Are you suggesting America isn't authoritarian?
I'll bite, compared to Russia or China, the U.S. is not an authoritarian state.
Do you think it is?
They have a larger prison population then any other country and spend more on military than the next several countries combined
PTB stinking hypocrisy from a distance.
Counterpoint. It’s not a strawman. The US is is an authoritarian state. If you disagree too loudly I will instaban you. also Why are you here?
Strawman wasn't enough, was it? There's an implicit false dichotomy here, between accepting the idiotic reasoning and the conclusion or rejecting both (thus the user not belonging to the sub).
EDIT: to be clear. I won't talk if USA is/isn't authoritarian, that is not my point. My point is that the mod in question is clearly being irrational, and hell breaks loose once you put irrational people on power. I also don't think that he should be removing users for not agreeing with the premise of the sub.
Is it a mock-up of Trump being a general dipshit, getting things wrong, then aggressively doubling down on those things when people say anything.
fascist attempts to spread liberal fascist US state dept propaganda that has been debunked thousands of times over
cries about muh freeze peach when told to stop spreading misinformation
Yeah go back to .world, bud
Plot twist: The mod is from US and just proving their point.
take that shouldn’t be hot: except for in very small communities, mods should not do moderation on their own posts’ comment section, especially when they are the type to be super defensive and invested in their posts’ success. this is the case with those like jordanlund, flyingsquid and the PTB here.
in other words, !usauthoritarianism@lemmy.world has two mods. if mod A makes a participatory (non-pinned/PSA) post, mod B should be the one that handles violations in that posts’ comments. especially if mod A is a frequent commenter and gets into arguments easily.
100% YDI, there's no power tripping for moderator to kick someone out for useless flaming or trolling, it's one of their duties.
PTB. They have the 'right' to trim their own community according to such ideas as "If you disagree too loudly I will instaban you", but it doesn't make it any less stupid or power-tripping.
The place is filled with plenty of examples of US authoritarianism. Consider lurking before posting OP.
Why would it be considered authoritarian to state that you wont rule out military use to rule over the Panama Canal or ban medical procedures decided between doctors and patients?
never said the us wasn't authoritarian, I was just making fun of the ptb
This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.
Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.
All posts should follow this basic structure:
Expect to receive feedback about your posts, they might even be negative.
Make sure you follow this instance's code of conduct. In other words we won't allow bellyaching about being sanctioned for hate speech or bigotry.
YTPB matrix channel: For real-time discussions about bastards or to appeal mod actions in YPTB itself.
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