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[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 15 points 1 day ago

Him and his supporters. It wasn't just the Capitol, it was the fake electors, the pressuring of his VP not to certify, the "find me more votes" call to governors, etc. There are no consequences for this fuck...

[-] tacosplease@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

It really solidifies our judicial system as a joke. I hope he's eaten by fears of extrajudicial remedies, but he honestly seems too stupid to understand the risk.

[-] lennivelkant@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 day ago

Maybe he can get scared enoug at shadows for his burger-fattened heart to give in and do the job without landing anyone in jail.

As for Vance, that one might need more... convincing. Maybe we can find a couch with some novel and deadly STD for him?

[-] crossdl@leminal.space 4 points 1 day ago

I wonder if Blue states will be sort of protected like last time. Relatively protected.

I'm quickly becoming a Federalist in the sense that I just want to be left alone in my state that still has environmental protections and fuck Alabama or whoever.

[-] FundMECFSResearch 3 points 1 day ago

I started out as a centralist in 2016 and now I’m a full on anti-state autonomous rule anarchist lol.

People like trump being elected radicalised me.

[-] crossdl@leminal.space 2 points 1 day ago

HA. Same. Isn't it funny to be warned by the prior generation about "big government" only to have them purposefully fuck it up to prove the point?

I'm reasonably fine with my governor, comparatively.

[-] FundMECFSResearch 1 points 1 day ago

I went from Social Democrat -> Marxist -> Anarchist 😭

Thanks Trump (and becoming homeless at one point) for radicalising me.

[-] crossdl@leminal.space 1 points 1 day ago

Ultimately, I think we'd both agree a cabin out in the woods, maybe with solar panels, would be the best form of government, wouldn't you say? 😀

[-] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 306 points 3 days ago

Another moral victory for Democrats. If only such victories mattered.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 92 points 3 days ago

Imagine a tug of rope where only one side is pulling.

[-] whostosay@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The other side just pushed the rope, it doesn't necessarily put the other side at any more of an advantage than just letting go, but it absolutely puts you at a disadvantage because well, you just can't be bothered to pull that rope as well as signalling you're not willing to play the game. Rejecting progressives was pushing the rope, Liz fucking Cheney and all the Republican pandering was pushing the rope. The last minute drop out was pushing the rope.

I'm not giving these shitters another vote until they run serious progressive politicians and policies. We are at rock bottom, and I'll be damned if I enable this shit again.

[-] lennivelkant@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 day ago

Use the intervening years to vote in local politics, primaries, whatever else you have. Take action, don't just wait for the next presidential election to make a vacuous point of non-participation. Boycotting votes does no good, and in a top-heavy system, handing over control of the top to the still objectively worse side is too much of a gamble, but building progressive support from the ground up is not just safer, it may also make the bend-overs worry about their own dominance enough to start at least holding the rope and make life a little harder for the other side.

Also, support whatever measures you find to abolish FPTP. It's the reason the whole thing is a tug of war in the first place. Just about any alternative is better.

[-] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 31 points 3 days ago

This stuff annoys me so much. I would not vote for them if they acted like republicans.

[-] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 62 points 3 days ago

Over 90 million eligible voters didn't vote for either Trump or Harris in 2024. If Democrats had managed to get just a few percent of those people to vote for them in key swing districts, she would have won. I think they could have done that without having to "act like Republicans."

[-] Kalysta@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago

When you poll people on the policies, progressive policy polls at over 80%

Hell, just supporting a gaza ceasefire would have gotten her Michigan.

[-] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 23 points 3 days ago

exactly. although I think the fault may more fall on the folks that want trump in office. I think they are called republicans. The way I hear it they are responsible for 100% of republican victories and indeed the republicans would not even exist except due to the voting habits of people who vote for them.

[-] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 days ago

It's really a chicken and egg question. Republicans vote for Republican leaders. Why? Well, largely because they are uninformed about how bad those leaders are for everyone. Why are they uninformed? Republican leaders have savagely gutted both the media and education system, ensuring the average American remains uninformed. Therefore uninformed Americans vote Republican against their own interest because the Republicans are right there ready with the catcher's mitt to receive the results of their investment - that being uneducated, underinformed Americans who are easily propagandized and who lack the tools or knowledge to read between the lines. Couple this with regular statements that "the enemy" will try to lie to you, and you have all these people like clay in your hands. They'll believe anything you tell them on the news, and disbelieve anything anyone else says merely on the grounds of "Fox News didn't tell me that was true". And that right there is your core Republican voting bloc. That's 78 year old Auntie Mabel who doesn't really know what all is going on but the TV tells her that Mr Trump will make the economy better. That's also Jimbob Truknuttz who shoots 200 rounds of 22LR at a photo of Joe Biden every day because his TV and his friends have taught him that liberals are a threat to his way of life. Brad Dudeguy, 28 year old cis white male, thinks the gays and the transes are freaks because the news his parents watch present them as sexual terrorists every single night. Rico Chavez was born in Texas after his parents immigrated from Mexico, and they don't have big opinions about politics, but everyone in his neighborhood has Trump signs up so he and his parents go with the crowd.

This is an entire class of people built and bred for the purpose of voting republican. They get their hooks in from literal birth, controlling not only the schooling and local media access of the child but also the availability, or rather lack thereof, of contraceptives for the parents, all but ensuring more children - ergo more republican voters down the line. It is a propaganda pipeline that would be actually impressive if not for its abject evil. If they put this amount of effort into actually educating their citizens properly we could be decades ahead of where we are currently. But instead they maintain this repressive environment because it all but guarantees indoctrination of future voters. Those who don't fit in will frequently move away to a different more like-minded area, or (perhaps more frequently, in some areas) will be killed by the locals, either police or gangs (biker or otherwise) or just regular old domestic violence - either way, dangerously open minded folks will be weeded out of the population naturally. What remains is a self reinforcing bubble of whatever you can feed these folks on the trusted evening "news". This picture that I've painted encompasses wide swaths of rural America, mostly across the south and Midwest but definitely not limited to there.

[-] Kalysta@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago

It’s not just education. There is also a large portion of the population who prefers to live under authoritarians.

Read the book the authoritarians by bob altemeyer. It’s free online. It explains these people far better than I can.

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[-] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

although I think the fault may more fall on the folks that want trump in office.

Sure, but there isn't anything the Democrats can do about those people, other than, I suppose, to try and change their mind somehow, or, I guess to try and get Trump to run as a Democrat. But I don't think that's possible, or desirable, do you?

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[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 6 points 3 days ago

So what? It's not like there is much of anything to be done about it. On the other hand, Democratic primary voters (in the instances where the establishment allows us to have primaries) could get their heads out of their asses and actually nominate somebody who isn't a damn corporate bot.

[-] Kalysta@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago

This has nothing to do with the voters and everything to do with the party.

The party shanked Bernie every time he tried. He would have won but the party rigged it against him.

Democrats are as shitty to their own base as republicans are to the democratic base. Leftists in this country do not have a party. All we have is damage mitigation.

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 1 points 1 day ago

It's a "chicken or the egg" question. We have the Democrats we have because of the voters, and we have the voters we have because of the Democrats.

It's a responsibility of the citizenship to be aware enough to make informed decisions and not be led by the nose. Americans in general are pathetically ignorant and disengaged.

Watch some random street interviews with average voters and it becomes crystal clear that fascism is what we collectively deserve.

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[-] rayyy@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Given the foreign influences to weaken the U.S., media control of the news by corporations, gerrymandering and fox media disinformation, it's not surprising. Biden could have cured cancer, eliminated world hunger and given free eggs to everyone and he would have still lost.

[-] lennivelkant@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 day ago

given free eggs to everyone

I'm torn between "big poultry", "commie" and vegan jokes here.

"He's just trying to get us all addicted to eggs"
"There's no such thing as free eggs, bloody commies"
"Eggs? So much for the libs and their veganism"

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[-] takeda@lemm.ee 12 points 3 days ago

How you expect this would end up if Democrats would do January 6th?

VP has no such power, what they were trying to do in 2021 was to make Pence do it and hope it would be unchallenged. And if someone challenged it hoping that conservative court would side with Republicans like they did in 2001.

[-] Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

Firehosing wet gristle into the storm drains after multiple entrenched units opened fully automatic fire at head level into the crowd.

Followed by oooh, let's call it 150 years of denying it ever happened and using the phrases "Bloody Tuesday" "Inauguration elimination" or "January 6th. 2025" in any online medium results in an annual audit for your entire extended family and local police having a picture of you and a set of darts delivered.

[-] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

China people paste on the ground style?

Bold move

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[-] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 169 points 3 days ago

Ah yes, Dems adhere to longstanding norms and lose while Republicans lie, cheat, exploit, steal, and win. What a fun game.

[-] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 18 points 3 days ago

What I like is the speech Kamela gave afterwards about fighting for your rights. Do you even see yourself, "democrats", and what you have become!? I'll be proven wrong if "democracy", or what passes for it in the current oligarchy, manages to survive a Trump presidency. I don't think I will be, I think this is really it.

[-] Kalysta@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah. Peacefully handing the country and all it’s vulnerable population to fascists while the democrats all cash out and flee.

They’re gonna leave us to THEIR fate.

[-] SnotFlickerman 79 points 3 days ago

Just a reminder, since these people view everything through the lens of power they view the peaceful transfer of power as us being weak and them being strong and that we're giving in because "we know they can kick our ass" or some dumb shit. Basically, they view things like this as though we're cowering in the corner begging them to stop when it's really the basics of a functioning society.

[-] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Problem is they seem to be correct

[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 60 points 3 days ago

America has decided to roll over and let fascism take root.

Our ancestors would be utterly ashamed.

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 41 points 3 days ago

I'm more concerned with what our descendents are going to think.

[-] sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 16 points 3 days ago

They won’t think much of anything, considering what Trump is about to do to the Department of Education.

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[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 19 points 3 days ago

You mean the slave owners who only wanted white landowners to vote?

[-] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 days ago

Mine were the ones fleeing Italian fascism who thought this would be better.

[-] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

Mine came here fleeing persecution during the German revolutions in 1848.

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[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 68 points 3 days ago

Kamala had a chance to do the funniest thing.

[-] GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

Well the American left wouldn't turn out to vote, what makes you think they'd try and storm the capital?

[-] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 56 points 3 days ago

Huh, no presentation of the gallows this time. Must be budget cuts.

[-] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 30 points 3 days ago

Have you seen the price of lumber lately?

[-] glitchdx@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

I remember when you could buy a 2x4 for a buck. It wasn't that many years ago.

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[-] C0unterfactual@sh.itjust.works 31 points 3 days ago

Yeah, but fuck 'im.

[-] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 33 points 3 days ago

Oh c'mon Biden, it's not too late to have him official business'd!

[-] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Honestly, he should push that law to its limit before trump abuses it daily.

[-] xenomor@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago

The cohort that controls the Democratic Party are perfectly content to pantomime gentlemanly decorum while being led into the ovens of a fascist authoritarian oligarchy. I’m just completely done with their bullshit.

[-] Bassman1805@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

ITT: People who want authoritarianism but only if it's the other team.

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