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Guaranteed the word "woke" will be thrown around left and right

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[-] blarth@thelemmy.club 31 points 4 days ago

No no you see it is because I have dedicated the last 20 years of my life to Witcher lore and have memorized not only every line but every plot in the series and books, and you see, Ciri is supposed to be much [choice: less/more] powerful than this trailer makes her appear! I’m boycotting this game and recommend everyone else does too! I’m tired of them shitting on lore with woke propaganda!

Anyway, I think that covers it.

Ah I see you too are a "true" gamer

[-] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 28 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

How come how the absolute worst men are allowed to represent the entire gender?

[-] BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 23 points 4 days ago

Being loud and offensive attracts more attention than being normal

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[-] lazyViking@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago

A chain is not stronger than its weakest link or something

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[-] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 23 points 4 days ago

I don't understand the hate for women in video games, If the next Doom game comes out with a female protagonist I'd be going "HELL YEAH RIP ITS HEAD OFF!!!" the same way I do in Doom Eternal

[-] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 12 points 4 days ago

From shitty YouTuber influencers.

A guy from work constantly tells me how I should feel about a game based on a YouTuber he watches. He doesn't play it, he just parrot that shit. Often it's the most sexist, disgusting take.

And most of these influencers are outright basement dwellers with pride.

So like, they're getting shitty takes from shitty human beings who are proud of being shitty?

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[-] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Don't understand it as a rational thing, understand the hate as a cancer with its growth being juiced and accelerated by the ruling class because incels are the easiest demographic to scam into violently acting against their own interests.

A cancerous process is by definition irrational from the perspective of the body it acts upon, the reason the cancer exists and grows is not because of a motive, desire or need but rather because the cancerous process consumes all the space and oxygen in a room at a faster rate than anything else can compete with while remaining invisible to the body as a threat.

Toxicity towards women displaces other topics and viewpoints specifically because the men pushing those topics want to monopolize the discussion and framing and often centrist types don't challenge that at all because of some self-perceived high ground to tolerating intolerance (not something you tend to believe in if you have experienced serious hate).

[-] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 5 points 4 days ago

Generally speaking im absolutely for a better representation of women and minorities. However, theres on criterium for it: it must fit with the lore. If the lore makes sense with a woman, go for it. If you just replace the main character with a woman, but don't adjust the lore in a way that its clear that its an entire new storyline or so, than I'm against swapping out the main character. Inclusion shouldn't lower the quality of a game.

[-] blarth@thelemmy.club 12 points 4 days ago

Agreed.

Ciri is a huge part of the Witcher games.

They prepped us for her becoming a Witcher or something adjacent to it in TW3.

There’s no conspiracy to turn you gay or trans here. It’s just a continuation of the series.

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[-] Clam_Cathedral@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 days ago

So maybe it's not actually the DEI itself that makes the game bad but actually the shitty game design and writing that makes the game bad and lore suck.

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[-] Rinn@literature.cafe 25 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

(Lore nerd rant ahead, tl;dr: Ciri being the protag is 100% fine and I expected it but her being a full witcher is weird)

There's exactly one somewhat valid complaint to be had here, and it's that Ciri in the books explicitly didn't go through the Trial of the Grasses (aka one of the main mutation processes that makes you a witcher or, as it often happens, just straight up kills you), so idk how they'll justify her being able to use witcher potions and stuff now. And (also in the books) she has lost her access to magic at one point, so using witcher signs is strange too.

I can see her wanting to take the plunge and go through with the trials, but I'm also certain that Geralt wouldn't want that for her bc of how much it fucks you up + most of the secrets of the trials have been lost.

I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and wait and see what explanation they come up with for her being a full witcher, but it better be good.

So, from lore perspective, I have no objections to her being the protag but I don't love her being a full witcher. I liked what they did with her gameplay sections in W3, I hoped they'd have just expanded on that gameplay idea more.

[-] MilitantAtheist@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago

Just because she does it in the trailer does not mean we start there in the game.

[-] Trantarius@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 4 days ago

I agree it seems a little shoe-horned to make her a classical witcher. I hope it's not just to give her the title, because she could easily be the protagonist, and/or have the job of being a witcher without the trial of the grasses. She was given the training and education of a witcher, and has magical powers of her own already. Receiving the trials would be a huge deal, narratively, to the characters, and to world building. I could easily see this being a fumbled corporate attempt at placating fans that wanted to see geralt, without any regard for the characters or world building. (Similar to "Rey Skywalker" having absolutely no business being a Skywalker). But that's all speculation. If it's treated as a major plot point, and not done just for the hell of it, it could still be good.

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[-] Corno@lemm.ee 6 points 3 days ago

I don't think I'll ever understand why people have a problem with a female protagonist. I'm a girl and my fave games ever all involve playing as male protagonists. One of the core essences of playing videogames is escapism, to be someone that you're not, I don't see what's immersion breaking about it. I've seen the trailer and I'm hyped!

[-] nieminen@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Metroid FTW

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[-] MonkeyBrawler@lemm.ee 49 points 5 days ago

I've seen more posts complaining about complainers, than I've seen complainers.

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 29 points 5 days ago

This is Lemmy. You're looking for reddit.

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[-] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 24 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I haven't seen a single complaint about Ciri being the protagonist of the next witcher game andI believe it's because she isn't a "let's put a woman here for the quotas" type of character.

[-] MonkeyBrawler@lemm.ee 11 points 5 days ago

Yeah, I honestly haven't seen an actual complaint.

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[-] AceQuorthon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 61 points 5 days ago

How could anyone hate Ciri :c

[-] 00L10@feddit.org 25 points 5 days ago

I can't understand hating Ciri as a chracter, but I can understand being kind of a disappointed not having Geralt as a playable character.

If you consider it as an isolated game it doesn't matter, but when you play three games as one character and then suddenly switch to another character it can feel kind of melancholic, in absence of a better word. Especially since now there's a non-zero chance that they'll kill Geralt in the new game.

But anyway, Ciri was an interesting character and those parts in Witcher 3 where you played as her were great.

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago

It's not sudden at all. In fact there's no way you can be a fan of these games and not have seen this coming. It was the very obvious Next Step.

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[-] manicdave@feddit.uk 11 points 4 days ago

I hate how everything has to be stupid culture war nonsense these days.

I'll probably get the game but be disappointed I don't get to play as Geralt.

I'd also be disappointed to get a new Horizon game where I don't get to play as Aloy. Does that make me a misandrist?

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[-] Allonzee@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Don't understand the hate. I also prefer sexy characters as I dont prioritize realism in games and am looking for escapism but that isn't the game. If you want a game with sexy characters, there are plenty.

I often mod games to add that asthetic. I'll probably wait for this to be on a big sale once there are such mods for that reason.

Don't like what they're selling? Don't play it. Or mod it. Don't screech on the internet that it's not fair to you. You didn't make the thing.

So much rage. It's like complaining a romantic comedy isn't an action movie.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

It's not even that, she still looks good. They're mad she isn't a college girl in a white shirt anymore. She has armor and an actual woman's face, the horror.

[-] fnrir@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

joking (mostly)I also like sexy characters and I'm livid every time I see a scantily clad woman without a male (or enby) counterpart.

I WANT MORE SEXY MEN IN VIDEO GAMES!

[-] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 1 points 2 days ago

Might be a hot take, but reporting on that just generates the wrong kind of buzz.

[-] Harvey656@lemmy.world 23 points 5 days ago

Doesn't Geralt basically retire at the end of 3??? Of course it's her turn to be the protag, fuck the haters.

[-] Stern@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago

You also spend multiple chunks of the game playing as Ciri. Like what are folks expecting?

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[-] Gremour@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago

Isn't female witcher technically a witch? 🤔

[-] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

In general English usage I think you may be right.

In the world of "The Witcher" (which is translated from Polish) there are both male and female mages with inborn abilities. Sometimes they are called sorcerers and sorceresses, sometimes they are called mages, sometimes they are called something related to their specialisation of magic, and sometimes wise women who do magic but didn't go to the academy are called witches.

Witchers, however, are not mages. They are made from ordinary humans and are gene manipulated and highly trained to be monster hunters. They have some witcher powers that are related to runes, and they make potions that have side effects only they can survive thanks to their manipulated bodies. Witchers at birth do not have special potential. Though a lot of little witcher trainees die, so you could argue they are artificially selected in that way.

Ciri is kind of neither of those, but she has special abilities related to space and time manipulation. In the new trailer it seems she drinks a witcher potion, but from what we know she never underwent the manipulation that witchers did.

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[-] Sarcasmo220@lemmy.ml 21 points 5 days ago

Guaranteed the word “woke” will be thrown around left and right

More like it will be thrown from the right

[-] Lauchmelder@feddit.org 29 points 5 days ago

The thing is though, they don't care about women in video games, they just care about "ugly" women in video games. as long as they can look at an hourglass shaped woman with massive curves in a skinsuit they don't mind.

don't go down the rabbit hole of "fixing female characters"...

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[-] squirrel 30 points 5 days ago

Add Naughty Dog's "Intergalactic" to the pile: The protagonist is female and a PoC! The usual suspects are already frothing at the mouth and recording a bajillion outrage bait videos for their Youtube channels.

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[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 17 points 5 days ago

Funny how none of them had a problem with like 10 games about Lara Croft.

[-] MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

I started the Witcher 3 twice. Got bored with it both times. Seeing the trailer for the Witcher 4 is actuslly making me go back to finish the Witcher 3.

[-] sirico@feddit.uk 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Beyond bored of both sides hijacking games for their identity me so specia outlooks. Get a personally FFS. Oh no she's a bit hench for a woman. She's been training and killing monsters most her life. On no people mad because woman in game. literally wgaf Geralt was awesome but the arc has ended for now nice and naturally.

If you read the books you'd be pretty excited about Ciri being the protagonist as in the books she just goes off into the sunset whereas now we get to see her return pick up the mantle and possibly get some new settings in France and England.

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