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[-] BMTea@lemmy.world 159 points 6 days ago

Also stupid: ignoring calls that you're too old, dropping out way too late for a primary and handing off to your VP who was not particularly popular last primary.

[-] Xanis@lemmy.world 68 points 6 days ago

She'd had done fine if she did three things:

  1. Continued the initial push of laying her foot into the collective asses of the MAGA collective. That first month or so was great and Dems needed that energy.

  2. Gone against Biden and condemned the situation in Gaza AND remind everyone that Ukraine is still going.

  3. Not listened to the idiot Dem "strategists" who seem so fucking convinced that courting modern Conservatives is a good idea.

Had she done these three things and even the shit communications of the Dems could not have stopped the word of mouth and internet celebrity status she would have had.

[-] samus12345@lemm.ee 20 points 6 days ago
[-] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 3 points 5 days ago

Biden, a white man, only stepped down because his own numbers showed him losing terribly too. The dems have lost the plot and are not speaking to (both in person and as a platform) their base.

[-] kreskin@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

A white man embracing Cuban and Cheney but running as a dem, supporting a genocide, and telling people worried about the economy that they're doing just fine would have lost too. Unless you're a racist yourself, dont confuse stupid with racism and sexism.

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 18 points 6 days ago

Or, she could have courted conservatives by going after the health insurance industry. Democrats are still operating like it's the 1990s.

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 15 points 6 days ago

She didn't though. Given the fact she never won a presidential primary it was unsurprising that she ran a poor campaign.

[-] Xanis@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago

That's the thing: She was doing fine initially. Not even when you measured her up against Biden, just in general. She came out verbally lashing Trump and challenging everything he and his cronies tried to do. She did exactly what I was hoping she'd do and lean on her experience in law and not tried to be charismatic.

What I suspect happened is she was pulled aside and told it wouldn't work. Chances are she was made to bend and rather than leverage her position she did bend. Or perhaps she was convinced to do so, I don't know. After Bernie in 2016 I don't trust the Dems at all when it comes to elections. Not in the sense of corrupt votes or whatever, in that they'd choose a losing candidate or choose to lose over having to admit they need to step aside and let the energy flow.

[-] draneceusrex@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

What I think you are trying to say is:

[-] habitualcynic@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

I’ve thought about this quote a lot since the election lol. Timeless.

[-] draneceusrex@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

Yeah, pretty much...

[-] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

Maybe? The huge chunk of people who didn't vote for her were white middle class suburban men. There might have been a simple racial bias to factor in as well.

[-] kreskin@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

She lost traction with every single demographic except white college educated. Stop trying to make this solely about individual demographic differences. It clearly wasnt.

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[-] Bronzebeard@lemm.ee 68 points 6 days ago

Also putting a heritage foundation sympathizer as your AG.

Not accounting postal board members who would remove the scum that is DeJoy.

Letting Israel genocide Palestine without cutting off the weapon supply. While also dragging us into shit with Iran.

Biden did a lot of deeply frustrating and very wrongheaded things, but Garland for AG, imo, cleanly takes the cake. I genuinely cannot think of a more feckless, functionally useless, and societally harmful nomination that he made.

[-] Bronzebeard@lemm.ee 6 points 6 days ago

I was vocally against it at the time, but too many dumbasses were way too into "poetic justice" to see how stupid making the compromise candidate your first choose was

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 days ago

When I called out the appointment it was just a Republican in Biden's cabinet who wouldn't go after Jan 6 rioters or Trump, I was told I was being a doomer and unrealistic.

I hate being right about horrid shit.

[-] kreskin@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

"Never underestimate Joe Bidens ability to fuck everything up" --Barrack Obama.

[-] forrgott@lemm.ee 23 points 6 days ago

You know, almost feels intentional. Would not surprise me, for sure. I can totally imagine that jackass thinking better for him to hand the reigns to Trump than to some dirty socialist like Bernie.

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 5 points 6 days ago

Left wing populists threaten the oligarchs. Right wing populists don't. It's really that simple. The Democratic establishment straight up prefers Trump to Bernie.

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 days ago

Trump is an idiot who looks good to run against. When Trump was gaining ground, donations went up. When Roe v. Wade was abolished, donations went up.

Why have a candidate who wants to help people and can defeat Trump when the money keeps pouring in so you can leave the country if he ever gets "too much".

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[-] SnotFlickerman 57 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

"I wasn't a lying duplicitous bastard like Trump. That's where I went wrong."

just... what?

To be fair, it says a lot about the intelligence of the average American when a lot of them think these checks were from Trump's personal bank account, just due to the signature.

Literally all you had to do was offer universal healthcare, as evidenced by *sweeping gesture at everything.

[-] WatDabney@fedia.io 23 points 6 days ago

That was my exact response - he's right in a very limited sense, and notably a sense that hinges on the sad fact that too many Americans are dumbasses who thought that Trump's signature over a check drawn on the US Treasury meant something, and therefore the absence of Biden's also did.

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

You need House and Senate Supermajority to pass universal healthcare, just like it took 60 dems to give us Medicaid Expansion and Protections for Preexisting conditions in 2010. We would have had Single Payer but Joe Liebermen was the sole blue holdout and he didn't die until 2013.

[-] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 46 points 6 days ago
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[-] hark@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago

Did he sign the 2,000-pound bombs that he sent to israel? Regarding the stimulus checks, biden is stupid alright, but it's not because he didn't sign the stimulus checks, but because he promised $2000 checks and then shortchanged it by claiming earlier payments that went out before he even entered office counted towards it.

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago

TBF yeah people were complaining that the creation of money for the stimulus checks in the midst of deficit was causing inflation, but the fact that the economy and inflation rate both recovered and they still blamed him means he should have done it anyways.

[-] kreskin@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

stupid just that one time huh.

[-] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 12 points 6 days ago

holds the door open for Trump

Controlled Opposition

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

That wasn't the mistake.

[-] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 12 points 6 days ago

I'd rather my food not cost three times as much as it did five years ago.

[-] Ioughttamow@fedia.io 48 points 6 days ago

Well buckle up cause here comes the trump economy choo choooooo

[-] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 12 points 6 days ago

I am fully aware how fucked we are. I don't recall displaying any enthusiasm over that prospect...

[-] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 10 points 6 days ago
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[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

Well we at least agree on one part of that statement.

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